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PORTFOLIO WARD PARKS INFINITE INTELLIGENCE SESSION TWO
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That's a kind of activity between the X which was the designer clone yourself. What was that are? Yeah, this is this is the most finite client imagination. Okay. This is imagination and Imagination is a synonym for Universe. Right? Right. This is what the whole universe is in the state of sounds great. This is the fine State here. This is a five star all this is fine. See so the universe revert to a point there.
Find state but the moment you start to dream you get the subtle universe and the moment you're awake. You get the growth universe and ishwar is the one who does this, huh? Where is the perception of what we see as dissolving into life that defective Point dissolving into life-saving medication or some yeah Divine experience.
Most of the things that one would characterized us for our subtle experiences subtle in the language of infinite Intelligence on the six planes of Consciousness somewhere another when you finally when the false self is annihilated and God realization at that point. You've passed your test back to the old point and have the onion got experience, but that's like a samadhi state is still all within the domain of the sound.
Although sent those are still thinking the imagination. It's just the finding that it's just a enough limited say a subtle imagination rather than gross and you know, these inner worlds are much bigger than this gross world is I mean there are vast and I'm just talking about what people say, of course. I haven't experienced them, but this gross world is very small and the the Spheres of experience within the subtler.
This everything there. It's utterly the will Direct. That's what that's why I must get stuck there. Yeah. All right. This this business is here on the left side. This is thinking right. It's just I yeah, yeah, this is thinking yeah. Okay. It's not happening this thinking and that access are interacting isn't that that there is that point B point?
Said that own course the own pointy everything passes out through the open my God everything passes up to on point. Hmm. So you might say this is actually the only point it's a way of designating what happens to the universe or the imagination in sound sleep. So this is really the same point is that it's just a way of expressing imagination on the employment in the old varieties of fine.
Is the fine State? Yeah. Well, I am a juncture in the human body the Old Point corresponds to that. But then you hear that someone has had experience of own Point. Does it make sense? Well, I mean you start to have a relationship to these fundamental principles, but to actually experience the on point itself as the only place I mean there would have to be like a
Experience or something when the third eye opens, you see God face to face. Isn't that the seven this is actually a juncture. This is actually the juncture. Yeah, the sun Guru is stationed there on my jeweled at the station. I'm not sure who is just lost and experiences. Only thing I've got statement is oblivious to the universe. They're stationed here with the sub group of stations at that point. This infinite intelligence doesn't go into this but the tip and lectures do
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So now looking at ishwar in terms of these various dichotomies we hear you schwar. Okay. I have a go back to here. We haven't even going to get into the more.
Cooler discussion ate some of this hellish who are involved in our daily experience. He sure is altogether relevant to what we experience all the time. Okay. Okay. So these four cosmological principles right like the individual and the universal those two axes.
Thanks teej ishwar is the creator the imagination and the thinking follows the trajectory of the individual the individuality individual thinking is that excess of thinking right? Right? Yeah and issue our works on the axis of the imagination primarily actually issuer does more than that, but that's the best way to start understanding a schwa so ishwar is constantly creating preserving dissolve.
The universe and the individual thinking so that is the optimum of the Jiva you and me the plants still needs of every individual soul is going through the process of evolving thinking reincarnating or involving that's all in the axis of thinking so in the thinking and Imagination dichotomy imagination is ishwara Source work you might say issue as it is the
Imaginer that's the trafficker and Imagination. Do you get this idea? You're not maybe that's issue as role there in terms of the individual and Universal and in terms of the universe's embodies. Let's get two universes embodies ishwar. The universe's week Bob characterizes. As you know, as the Bonnie's fish look like in infinite intelligence.
Just language you and I have the gross body. We have a subtle body. Remember that infinite intelligence that includes the pulse explains and we have a fine body. That is to say what is our fine body.
I'd like my body. Yeah, when we're in sound sleep. It's the latency. It's the latent body When We're Dreaming. We're experiencing the subtle body and we're wide awake or strengthen the gross body is schwar also has these bodies
Ishwar super gross body is the gross universe and I presume the if there is a Multiverse as physicists say nowadays. I presume that would include every Universe in the gross fear hover billions or trillions your incident number. There are fish wires subtle body is the subtle universe.
And issuers so it's like when you think the imagination right we're thinking the imagination this instant right where you know, we're thinking that we're in this room were thinking that the fan is spinning and the projectors projecting and there are certain people here. We're thinking the imagination ishwar is that universe that we are thinking
Ishwar is that's the body of the schwa. That's the gross body. So in the subtle body of ishwar, let's suppose you have a samadhi state or you of a subtle experience ishwar is the subtle Universe which you are experiencing and in sound sleep ishwar is the the find Universe like in mahara Lyle and all the universe is dissolved back into the own point. That is a sure sign bottle so you can see
You get this other words our bodies correspond to the bodies of ishwar each was fine body the same as our family that would have actually be true because it has no Dimensions, right? Yeah, that's actually right so you can see how this would relate also to the individual in the Universal right ishwar belongs to the unit is the universal side of things and where the individual
That is to say I have a individual gross body and I exist in a gross Universe which is the body of the schwa.
So The Reincarnation happens in India? We're like bubbles with I take on a new gross bubble within the ocean and the ocean is the universal body of ishwar. Yeah. So ishwar is not each other's bodies belong to the domain of Illusion. Also, they're not ultimately real they belong to the created sphere of things, but they're Universal. So if we were to Guru,
We're trying that the individual in the Universal. This is the the Curious Thing. There's a kind of an alternating ascendancy or there's kind of a paradox here on the one hand ishwar as the lord of the universe and has complete power over us. But on the other hand, all the issue are ever does is go back and forth between latency and men and manifestation of the imagination. The universe is created preserved.
Resolved created reserved and dissolve forever, whereas the individual actually completes the journey to the I am God State and ishwar does not isn't that odd? Yes. It's a real Paradox channel that does is for aware of what he's doing - where is infinite thinking? Yeah this fully aware.
I just think that is owed actually more because if you like we are going we coexist with God. Yeah, a little journey is about an experience in training as usual is the form which we can experience out of God. So we plug in to live your life. Yeah create new experiences come out now on to another lifetime. Yeah, so it's like this is hope it's like a camera.
Video setup. Yeah, one of these things you could step. Yeah, so we could step in and role play of the right. Oh my God getting up and he's experiences multiply through many lifetimes to make it so that what state and trap psycho past trap a dish where provides the medium for us to do that. It's where it's constantly servicing us, but ishwar doesn't have the unguarded.
Experience and apparently never does whereas we do. So this is another apparent that in the relation to the individual and the universal. The universal is really is not the real you see. It's the universal it belongs to the domain of imagination or universe, but it's that line of the thinking of the individuality of Consciousness. And why is this so because at the beginning if you remember if the very beginning the thinking is real and the imaginary
Education is not and it issue are traffics in the imagination. So the thinking is has to go from latency to full self-realization. That's the journey the Divine theme occurs on Arlo And The Universal is part of the architecture part of the environment in which all of this happens.
I'm sorry, you said think he needs to go from latency to food that we're self old self consciousness. You have to begin from thinking in the unthinking state would you be have but at the very beginning sound asleep, and then you have to thinking in most finite State like a rock?
The less finite State like a plant to the still less finite state fish bird to the still less finite state animal to the infinite state in human form. But thinking through all of this is thinking the imagination which issue are is constantly creating preserving and destroying and then you have to stop thinking the imagination.
Which is next week's topic how that is accomplished when one life.
Well if he'll be the infinite intelligence itself so five mama is not assured. No, I mean ultimately putter magma is everything including ishwar, but ishwar as ishwar is as a particular state does this job of creating preserving and destroying as I say, it's like ishwar is the ultimate extrovert or the
It workaholic talk to 24/7, huh that all the ich werde ich Wars entire orientation is towards the universe. But why does he create some preserves and destroys? What's the order and why does it like actually I mean, what is this cycle of creating preserving and restoring actually, what does it serve that that thing?
One of the charts on this this this is about what happens in the cycle of I think this would be responsive to a lot of this and a lot of things. This is a figure 15 on page 210 if you have books and what it might be helpful to be look at those if you find this hard to see 210 now this chart
Illustrates the daily cycle of waking and going to sleep. Remember the fourth cosmological principle here sound sleep dream wakefulness. And you remember how in the Baba's diagram of 1 2 3 4 5 which is in your packets York. We're constantly cycling between one to three two. One, two, three, two one right? Remember that one being wakefulness tubing dream 3 being sound sleep tubing.
Again, okay, that's what this is about. So this is 1 this is 2 this is 3 and overview. Now what this this is a section of infinite intelligence. We're bothered describes this cycle in the daily experience. You get this of a typical human being and a typical Stone now did you know that stones have us daily cycle of wakefulness feel intensely. I don't know.
That's what so no. No, there's nothing like that and God speaks through. The other thing is that these three states. These are really I have Universal in the sense that they're all over the place. Everything goes through this data everything then everything does everything Earth everything in our universe every thinking within the universe does hands now.
Night doesn't seem like ishwar does every Bunda every every bound individuality goes to the cycle. Apparently so bubble goes through this whole narrative. There's a whole section of infinite intelligence in chapter 10 the talks about this. Okay. So we're going to be reviewing what he talks about. Can you please explain this cycle? Just a process of idea one cycle. That's what you were going into right now. Okay. So let's take marijuana. We were
Were talking about a particular Stone what we call Rocky good. Yeah, Rocky is back. In fact someone in circulated Little Rock. So rock to each of us so that we could have our own little rocky here. So in the beginning, but I'll go through this for Rocky and then he goes through it for the typical human being in other words. This happens for everyone. Right? So in the beginning Rocky is sound asleep. And what which one do you think this would be gross doubler fine?
I'm coming to find state. Okay, it would be for the typical human being to now Rocky has had his good eight hours or whatever it is that Stones require and have a good healthy day's work as a stone. It's time to weigh. It's time to start dreaming. You always pass through the dream state Baba says, even if only for a moment in the course of waking and of course, we're going to sleep you do also so for
Or no Rocky has to start to think the subtle imagination, right? That's what dreaming it's dreaming is number think the imagination they are too subtle imagination. But everything is fine, right the imagination has reverted to the Fine State. There is no subtle imagination in Rockies little microcosm. Okay, so for their to for the subtle Universe to come in
Existence Somebody's gotta create it, right. So who's going to do that? And in fact dishwasher has three aspects Brahma Vishnu and the hitch, you know those names numbers, but I'm not a Creator Creator. That's a Brahma Vishnu or Shiva Destroyer. Okay. It's time to create.
The subtle Sphere for rocking so which of the mood of those is going to do it?
Yeah, okay time for Rocky to what start dreaming. Yeah, it's part of the process of waking up. So but there's no sir. There's no Universe there. There's no subtle Sphere for Rocky to experience somebody's got to create it first, right? So who does it as far as Brahma is the creator, but but now that's not enough just to create it.
Now I see if you get this point. It's like the somebody just create something and you start to try to get a hold of it and it vanishes the next second. It didn't serve its purpose did it. So what do you have to do? Once the universe has been created for Reserve you have to preserve it. It has to be held steady, right? Who's going to do that? Yeah, thus Brahma creates the subtle sphere.
Vishnu see the shame here preserves it at this point Rocky can realize it right you see that is to think the imagination means to realize the subtle imagination and Rocky start to dream now, let's suppose it's only 3:00 in the morning. The coffee is not been made yet and Rocky's going to drop off for another, you know, hour and a half or so.
Rocky's app it's up at 5:00 in the morning. Well for Rocky to go back into that state the Sun the universe has to be dissolved again. So who's going to do that is sexual the Soiree as she's out. She's over Manhattan the Destroyers the Destroyer has to destroy the subtle universe. And since there's no more subtle Universe for Rocky to be realizing because back to sleep.
So it is in creating that is specifically for Rocky apparently apparently so he does it for every apparently apparently that is self. I mean, I'm just inferring this is a whole big section on this and Bubba doesn't explain how the microcosm relates to the macrocosm here. But apparently on the microcosmic scale this is going on, but now let's suppose it's it's, you know, five minutes of 5 and its really time.
To wake up for Rocky and do a day's work of being a stone. Okay, so the subtle sphere is not enough. You need to grow sphere right? So but we don't have a gross here. We only have a set of sphere. So what's got to happen?
You got to create that. So who's going to do that as the Sichuan as Brahma creates the gross fear, right? But now that's not enough either for Rocky to wake up. What else do we need at this point? So pretty soon. Someone's got to preserve the it's got to be held steady, right this got to continue to be there.
Frank I mean it makes sense II wish I could come up with a good image. If you just created something and the moment you try to grasp it. It disappears. It's not going to serve its function somebody's got it not just creative but hold it there for you. That's what Vishnu does once the gross fear has been preserved. Rocky realizes it right and okay. It's been a good eight hours or I don't know how long the Rock today is total. Good 12.
Our day time to go to sleep again. So what happens? What is the Destroyer? Do? Yes, really? What if he destroy in my imagination? That was Chris imagination Salon because the the subtle imagination
It is presupposed. It's already there so that when the gross imagination disappears Rocky naturally revert to the subtle imagination to the next level down, right? Oh because he's going to go on realizing the gross imagination as long as the gross imagination is being preserved, but when it's destroyed it's not there for him to realize anymore. So he naturally reverts to Dreaming the subtle imagination, right?
Answer my question this happens for us. Yeah. So now the now it's time to really get another good eight hours. So it's about to happen here to Rocky. What's he doing at this stage? What's he realizing here to get some sleep? Because they're going to happen. What is he doing when he's here? He's dreaming. So what is he realizing?
Do you know nothing notion imagination? So yeah, so for him to go to sleep what's got to happen to the subtle imagination that we destroy asteroid. So Shiva ishwar as Shiva or Mahesh Mahesh, by the way, is Maja ishwar, which is the name often given to Shiva shaivites Shiva destroys the cell
Asian Rocky goes back to sleep. So in this whole narrative, the only thing that Rocky does is realize that's all all the things that he realizes are constantly being created preserved in destroyed by ishwar as Brahma Vishnu Mahesh. Okay. I think this is really mind-boggling. How did Rocky come and go?
Existence in the first place imagination you just really hot has become a Rocky come on Junaid in that, you know, the Crossing Lines which is a thinking and Imagination here Rocky originated as we call it here to thinking or as paramatma. Well as the reality originally is nothing other than God, but
Infinite intelligence doesn't fully explain this but at the time of the original limb God has the wimp, who am I he has diverged and the moment that happens you have an explosion of bubbles an explosion of individualities all of them trying to find out who I am and Rocky is one of them. You're one of them, you know a dog a goose a fish. They're
All drops of that ocean in reality. They are nothing other than God.
Yeah, I know. I won't even attempt to answer that situation. I've wondered that too. There's a lot I could say about that, but I better not take the time now because that's that's a no. It's a question that many people ask Eric went on so maybe afterwards I'll tell you what it said that very question. But this process is going on for every thinking Universe all the time, you know about a says.
Should you get this in other? Okay, let's review it. Again. This is Rocky or you know, I date Sam, you know, whoever you know that human being or for, you know, a dog or for any creature. This is universal when that individuality time to wait Brahma creates the subtle sphere and Vishnu preserves it and then the thinking thinks it
Then Brahma creates the gross fear Vishnu preserves the gross fear and the thinking thinks that this R means realized it realizes it that's a realize that such a good word makes real right makes real in our false reality. You schwar doesn't realize anything ishwar doesn't experience things in the way that we do because ishwar has no sense carrots issue.
You are never takes the step of saying I am that but the thinking does the the sea ishwar creates and preserves and destroys all of the stuff but the contribution that the thinking does the individuality rocking you Army is he actually says I am that becomes it. That's what realizing is. So when the Bro sphere is created and preserved the thinking realizes it when it's time to go to sleep.
Shiva has to destroy it or you can't go to sleep when Shiva destroys it you revert to the subtle sphere which is already there implicitly when it's time to go into sound sleep. Shiva destroys the subtle sphere and you revert into some sleep. That is the daily cycle of everything. It's really mind-boggling a huh so Ward.
Okay, so brownlie started work of creating.
You know the beginning of that cycle getting it ready for the thinking to realize yeah. My question is that how does I mean the thinking decide to expand or realize that imagination then ishwar gets to work or ishwar gets to work creates that setting for the thinking so thinking begins to
To a really realize another words thinking is stored his days work of eight hours. Then he's ready getting ready to go to sleep. Watch. This would be a different state from way for faithfulness to the dream state, correct? Yeah. How did this interaction with ishwara side and made my quiche more is already. So I think what I'm trying to ask is that what is this interaction of each word and thing?
Thinking in terms of realizing one imagination versus the other. You know what I'm saying? I'm in a mine clearing. Yeah saying my question, you know for one thing bother doesn't explain this matters in detail against the base of process. That's another thing is that to go further. We really have start getting into sense Kara's which is the topic that hasn't been approached yet is the next thing coming up but
When I check what I have out. There are other analogies Baba gives for this like Baba says like okay in opening and closing the eyes Brahma is the opening of the eyes Vishnu is the staying open of the eyes and Shiva is the closing of the eyes, but what realization is is the ca right? Here's the thing. Yeah. What good is it to Open the Eyes keep the eyes open?
And close them again. If you don't see it's all for seeing. Yeah. So this whole thing is for realization. Yes, and why is that because creation preservation and destruction of the subtle and growth Universe never happens because it's all imaginary. We have to keep coming back to that point and the only reason that this imagination keeps getting created and destroyed his skin is that so somebody can experience
It's something that's the only purpose of the circles now though. It doesn't exist. Although it doesn't exist. It's all false thinking. This is all false realization. Everything is for a little rocky to dream and wake and what I also take this to me Baba doesn't exactly say this but says enough where I'm prepared to sort of take this further step is it's not just in waking up and going to sleep. I think this occurs in every moments experience. It's like issue.
You are is setting creating a new experience for us a new scene of experience. Let's say preserving it and we're experiencing it. And when the moment has come for that experience to end Shiva destroys it and we go on spend another words. I think this process is these many cycles are going on infinitely all the time. It's a mind-boggling state of God and the only thing that we do the only thing that we do is real.
Us we don't do a damn thing. The whole menu is prepared cooked cleared up again every second by ishwar. The only one who does anything at all is a schwa and ishwar doesn't do anything at all because it never happened ishwar traffics in the imagination only to see this these themes beautifully intersect with each other and Baba says this never happened this I mean, this is art
Tickle ate some of that this is all just issue are creating preserving destroying all the time and we're just realizing it. That's all we do is very here to teach us to show us. What's his fault. Yeah, ultimately, you know, here's an obvious materialize that is words is the ultimate facilitator facilitates everything. Yeah, like when were you know Evolution issue are keeps presenting.
Print not experiences universes. I for us to experience when we're in human form and we're going to you know, reincarnation issue is constantly providing the new things first experience there and when we start to involve and return to God - where's doing that to issuers the only one who does anything? I mean, no wonder ishwar can't ever say I am God look at what fish has got to do all the time.
I mean it just it just to facilitate one of us. I mean, it would I would take would take a staff of a million more times. I every stupid little thing that I do, you know, like not just ordinary actions, but all the cells of my body and I urinate and I eat and I breathe and all the stress all that's going on ishwar is doing all of this. So it's um, I've been reading some of this Islamic philosophy and they'll do great, you know, sufis and their say the
Croscill the try to pursue the understanding of God, it culminates in bewilderment. Well, I mean, it's just bill during that there could be a state of God like this and it also it seems to me that this issue our state really exhibits and Islam God is out. What is algorithm on and that one of the names of God the merciful look at look. This is the lord of the universe.
Who is doing this right? It stores. The Lord about infinite intelligence is very explicit ishwar as the lord of the universe. Look what he's doing. Look what he's doing. It's like the ultimate mother, isn't it? It's like little rocky needs to wake up. So ishwar runs about creates a subtle sphere preserves the subtle sphere so that little rocket can dream and then creates a gross here preserves and the dissolves them. Also a little rocking go to sleep again, and this is happening.
Every instant with every experience that everybody has so who is the creator of these unbelievable, you know gorgeous species of fish flowers and so forth. Why is such a thing follow me? I mean it which were at that double. Yeah. Who's that? Who's the Brain Brain Trust Behind These? Unbelievable beautiful creation. I think she wants what is he doing? It seems that it
It's part of the cosmic architecture. It's part of the cosmic architecture. So the thinking can have experiences that ultimately lead to the realization of God. That's what it's for. Yeah, and it seems to me that ishwar is supremely selfless doing all of this and issue are never seems to get a payoff that I know of maybe Maja pralaya dishwasher you should act. I'd like to ask Bob listen. Do you ever give ishwara?
Keishon, how about not apply? At least you ought to have a little bit of the I am God experience then but ishwar is endlessly working within the domain of imagination for everyone in creation. I mean, you wouldn't understand this from God speaks and God speaks you thief the third state of God creator preserver and Destroyer, but the extent of that role you wouldn't know Anthony nature.
I mean we use the name is shuara because Baba used it and because it comes to us from Hinduism so you could say it's a principle but it to give it a personified. Yeah, like a big machine in a way, but the thing is it also represents the personal aspect of things. It's so good. So to personify it is not altogether wrong either. It's the thing is you can say this is something that we
I even begin to comprehend so you could think of it as a machine you can think of it as a principal or you could think of it as a person. I'm sure if ever we reach the state where we see ishwar. I mean you're going to drop dead you can't comprehend something like that kind of energy that actually exists because it needs people's imaginations of the creative part of into actually existed grows because of that if people actually still
Okay, you know we don't think this is the quickest way to get to God is not to think this is an illusion then ishwar would actually disappear. So it's like an energy that feeds on everything else that goes on to Define what form of a particular soul is going to take time, you know, we're talking yesterday about creating.
Imagination creating infinite form that's what issue areas. Where does that serve the imagination? But he's also the funding with every form in it. Yeah. It sure is I've mentioned earlier except near gun and struggling right that's without attributes and with attributes. Well, another important pair of terms are stuck car and knit near a car phone and the a car means form and sucker means with
Indie rock carvings without form. Well, you see maybe I said this before but maybe at this point be clearer ishwar himself is near a car that is ishwara is formless, but ishwar is the Supreme and soul trafficker forms ishwar creates infinite forms. So that means all the species. So these also these Mount just defining the analysis of imagination.
He's also defining that is of thinking. Yeah, that's true. And in fact that I wanted to read some he actually works on the axis of thinking to its kind of easiest to explain it by saying it's to ours on the axis of the imagination, but the truth is is more than that. Let me see if I can find her.
Victory mr. This is some more on what we have to find out what page this is on. This is more about an issue. Where does when you're waking up and going to sleep have all this in my nose.
So this is another.
You know variation of the question of predestination and Free Will of a good say yeah, it's it's you know, don't blame me. It's where I get it. It's a good examples. If not answer is no what the purpose you got a good excuse for things to say, but who the heck is ishwar, then you can give them infinite intelligence come back to me. Once you've read it. You know, the very same thing is I was just thinking is that this helps us to not
Give so much credit to ourselves thinking that we really doing something. It's like he's doing it everything. Yeah. It's for exactly Bubba doesn't quite explicitly say this by the way. There's your sure does everything. I mean appears to me from understanding doing - were does. Yeah, we haven't done the sanskaras yet and they're an important part of the picture to share the link actually, but the whole illusion is Ash, where's the business?
So here's more of what infinite intelligence says about this when you're waking okay, the infinite intelligence contains infinite thinking and the most finite imagination within itself, right? The infinite thinking is thinking in the original state we would call it Consciousness and God speaks language and the most finite imagination, right that's imagination as X as that little point there. So infinite intelligence contains
Thinking in the most fun and Imagination than itself when thinking begins that is to say at the creation of the universe. And also when you start to wake up to relates to that cycle when thinking Begins the most finite find imagination takes infinite subtle and gross form and infinite thinking takes most finite subtle and gross form you get that. There's a reversal the second part that I didn't.
Again the reverse so this is part of the Crossing Lines of thinking and Imagination. What page is that diagram on smoking? Like I can't choose both the plants and fortunately the useful, you know, Adam are on that. We actually printed up that diagram in had it on the wall. There's a reversal that have diagram shows. That is the infinite thinking which is the reality in the invited rating original state.
Seems to take most finite form as soon as vibration begins. What's the usual that well? That's the thinking actually it is fires involved in that but the infinite thinking as the reality, let's say as paramatma say and God speaks. Lingo assumes most finite form. That is you become a rock. You become a stone meanwhile.
The most finite kind imagination the nothing right as soon as infinite form as the whole universe ishwar takes it and makes it seem to be everything. So you see how those were reversal. That's what that Crossing line shows. What is really everything seems to become most finite and what is really nothing or infinitely finite seems to become everything. They become the opposite now, this is the work of Maya
This is the Maya is what makes nothing seemed like everything and everything seemed like nothing makes the imagination seemed like everything and the thinking seemed like just the most particulate and limited thing. So at the very beginning this happens, I'm sorry. So repeating this the infinite intelligence contains infinite thinking we're in that fine stay on top. Yeah. You got me thinking that was that Circle that so
And the most finite imagination within itself. Okay, when thinking begins with that exponent is that's a mere Kleiner. Yeah, that's right. So the action your diagrams for those of you who have it? Yeah when thinking Begins the most finite find imagination takes infinite subtle and gross form. Okay, so X becomes the subtle and gross Universe Boomers nap and infinite thinking takes the
Most finite subtle and gross form. This is Rocky. Suddenly. You've got the infinite thinking turning into the individuality Rocky or you and me whoever that might be. This is stone form though in this way with the commencement of thinking infinite intelligence and let's just read here ishwar. This turns out to be ishwor place two parts. Okay. So when you start waking up ishwar place two parts the first part involves,
Actually Dish One infinite intelligence and its totality but this part is if you are involves production in two aspects producing the most finite fine form of the imagination into Infinite subtle and gross form. You got that taking that X and turning it into the universe.
Taking the non-existent imagination and making it look like everything. Okay, that's the first part and be producing the infinite fine form of thinking which the most finite subtle and gross form do get this. Let's try to restate this. So once thinking begins issue are takes that point of noting of magic nation and make
Looks like the entire universe and at the same time ishwar takes that fine thinking the reality and makes it seem to be most finite. So the cyclin rocky starts to dream. His schwar is actually taking Rocky and making them identify the stone form when you and I wake up. It's actually ishwar is taking we've merged into the totality of things and unconsciousness and ishwar takes us and makes us identify with their
That selves issue are actually plays that role too. It doesn't seem like we do anything. So it's just he's the one who helps us realize to fit it seems to be so that's what I take this to mean. And then now this is not eshwara anymore. The second part is infinite intelligence does consists of the realization of the infinite subtle and gross imagination through the most finite solid Rose form of thinking that is realizing a to be
Okay. So this is what the thinking that's so it's actually infinite intelligence is doing all of it. But as ishwar infinite intelligence produces, the infinite imagination and takes the individuality and makes it identify with the with its own form. Once that's been done then the individuality the thinking starts to realize things. So this is what happens with every moment of waking.
Being the goes on.
It got a fucking shit. Remember that The Junction's I remember at the beginning jump shed creates that shadowy Junction remember that I would pull it up here when it's one of your diagrams. Is it who the yellow Arc there? So that's creating everything but then
That is an individual. Yeah, you have to restart to realize it. Yeah up to Sofia be involved. So when I was talking yesterday again, I keep coming back to this too because I hope that you know, it all starts to make more sense. Ababa is describing the weave of creation what it is that creates this illusion. This is this is the process this interplay if you're talking about between this imagination that's overs managed by ishwar and
The individuality or the thinking and the only reality in all of it is the thinking that is to say the infinite intelligence as Consciousness. All the rest of it is truly non-existent. It's a vast play in nothing and ishwar is the ultimate trafficker in that number who's facilitating experiences all the time. This is how experience works, but this Ababa is describing. What is
Happening to us at every second. This is how we experience.
So it's like if we're going to have another moments experience these two are creates and preserves it and we experience it and the moment it's done Shiva dissolves it and then a new experience is created in preserve. It's like this infinite cycling that's going on the cycle of issue El Universal Studios. And yeah, yeah, what more do you explain one more stir that after he creates a he also helps us identify.
That's right. Ishwar takes us and and reduces US produces us as the word use their produces us into that form. And then all we're going to do just really yeah smash it. So it's like in the process of opening and closing your eyes. The only thing that the eye itself does in this metaphor is see, that's all now. I in the thing in marijuana, there are other there's
The school of philosophy called samkhya any of you familiar with this. I don't suppose some and it's one of the Great Schools of philosophy in India, and it's the basis of yoga of Raja yoga, but it's like property and purush purush is the self and property is infinite plasticity ground instantly creating forms. And what purush does is watches it and thinks I'm that
I met and property is endlessly creating forms and at the end of the process perused Associates and no longer says I'm that but I am I myself that's what this seems to be describing. This imagination is constantly being produced for us and all that we do is identify with it. That's our soul act. Everything else is we're deceiving ourselves. We're not doing a darn thing, dude.
We do it in the time that it happens. Is it me or is the real individual real one doing this?
The real you the real Mitre is no one other than infinite intelligence, but you're deluded into thinking your Mitre. So all that you do is realize that's all as we traveled as a the real the real you the real into thinking the thinking itself does only one thing it realizes that is specific time. Yeah. Yeah every moment this is going on.
Are you Jewish Wars is serving up the stuff constantly and you constantly realize and that's all I do. We create stands close by that place. We haven't got the sense care as yet. That's another important part of the story. But this is the whole fabric of things. There's more. I think there's more
Upon entering the dream in a wait state from sound sleep. Okay, the infinite intelligence passes through four stages in the first of these it engages in two simultaneous acts of production. It produces the most finite find imagination infinite subtle and gross form right is
Wire creates these universes and the produces the infinite find thinking into most finite subtle and gross form. Now when it goes into this whole cycle of of waking going to sleep Baba keeps going over these two actually. So it's like Brahma creates and Vishnu preserves the cell universe and meet them meanwhile ishwar produces the thinking into the form to experience it.
So here's to our is involved not only with the imagination. That's the easiest way to explain what each where does the issue our manages us to by giving us the forms and causing us to identify them forms through which we experience it.
So this is really what I was just been going over. This is from the 10th chapter of infinite intelligence. And this is nearing kind of the 11th chapter is probably its climax, but I feel that this is a gigantic aspect of the truth of things that infinite intelligence explains and you won't find if we have we were have the time we might have all the time this afternoon.
I could go over some of the parts of God speaks to come to the same topic, but when bobby gets to it and God speaks. He hasn't explained thinking thinking and Imagination. So there's no basis for understanding this so he presents it in a very simplified form. Now when I read God speaks. I know I mean the Baba when I mean I can't know about us thinking that I'm just imagining as an author. It's like there's no way of explaining this with in good
See have to add another 200 pages. But if you bring infinite intelligence to it greatly enriches the discussion of lot of these topics this basic forking infinite intelligence. As you know, the Creator preserver destroyer and infinite intelligence as the réaliser, right? Those are the two basic aspects that is to say the thinking in the imagination this forking occurs in every instant of
Perience all the time in innumerable ways. And this issue are cycling is going on all the time in innumerable ways. And that's how experience happens. It's infinite intelligence that really explains this more than anywhere else. So the what our country is probably almost time to have lunch here. Yeah, me too.
This is the most finite find imagination really done infinite intelligence need to infinite Sutherland Grossman. You can write its second year produces the infinite find thinking into China find that subtle and gross form. So, this is Dad. No the reason that he's doing this to create the most finite subtle form or goes for us, too.
To be able to realize right? Yeah is the case of the rock than just talking about what even the rock that's right. So it's again going back to this very fundamental chart that this is talking about. It's a this here what we were just reading.
I didn't show several reasons the same time but so you sure are takes this? Yeah, this is the fine thinking the infinite thinking right fine think this is infinite fine thinking. Yeah and produces it into that The Rock which is finer. Yeah. It's most finite is the most first form. So the instant that you start to wake up or the instant of the creation of the universe
This or the instant that anything begins is charges to ishwar creates all of this and then ishwar takes this and makes it into that and once that is happened. The only act that the thinking does is it realizes it starts doing this thing this diagram see this shows the same thing basically in a somewhat more developed form. It. Does this it starts to realize
Okay, this is so this is a little bit less clear and showing the Crossing Lines but this shows the same thing the issue art takes that and turns it into that. Meanwhile ishwar takes the infinite thinking and turns it into that. And once that has happened the most the infinite thinking as the most finite thinking right most finite thinking is actually infinite think
Okay, because that's all that there is nothing but infinite thinking that means Consciousness would be the other term for that. So instead of thinking as the most finite thinking realizes the imagination. It's like it sees the lion remember the figure safe. He's the hair of the line because it's most fun at it can only see that much and that's the only thing that it does. It beeps periences. It realizes all the illusion we have of doing
Stuff is because we're going to get into this with you little chunker this afternoon in discrimination. We're mixing up who we are. We're thinking we're doing things that were actually not doing that all so how is that? How is all this doing on this is your first day just making sense breathtaking Vision that Baba is presenting.
It looks like he's giving it only takes this is the basic process of experience. That's what he's describing. God speaks. God speaks never explains the process of experience never attempts to do it has other things it has other magnificent things smart about it, but this is the experiential process.
That's what infinite intelligence really explains as nothing else does I hear ya. All you do is experience in reality. We don't have any role at all. All the rest is because of in discrimination. The only thing we can do is to start to discriminate. It's like property improve if you had in it, I'd love to really spend a two day.
Is reading and there's a good Treatise on some kit purush keeps looking at property who's creating infinite forms and saying on that just watching and all we can do is one act that we finally perform is we disassociate and say I myself I am God that's the only act we have to do dissociation. Everything else is really being done by you sure. Yeah.
Okay. Well, let's take a break from the resume after lunch then.
Are warm.
Okay, is everybody out there? Who's going to come in? And okay, I'm still so just read these out just as a recapitulation of what we've been talking about.
That these are sort of questions that read because a lot of these things, you know, that says not so great. Oh, that's right. That's right. Myrtle Beach. We had these very same questions. We're going to read them out Rosie stealing, October 6th session 3 Sunday morning in second.
Which were nominal you daily life experience. What is Ish Wars role in relation to the for cosmological principles discussed in the afternoon's session thinking and Imagination to individual and Universal three the three Spears and bodies and for the three states of waking dreaming and sound sleep. Let me just flick.
Over two so I'm thinking and Imagination ishwar is the creator means Creator preserver and Destroyer imagination, right individual Universal microcosm and macrocosm ishwar belongs to the axis of the universal. Although as we saw ishwar actually plays a role in the exercise of thinking also universes embodies. The universe's are the bodies of ishwar.
Are the subtle universe is the subtle body of the issue of the gross? But universe is the gross body will show the three states is something green and wakefulness ever wakeful ishwar manages the wakefulness dreaming some sleep cycle for all thinking's right. So we went over all of us this morning reads more. What are the respective roles of Brahma Vishnu?
My hash and the réaliser in the daily cycle of sleep dream and Awakening. Okay, so that diagram we looked at deals with that. I'm sorry. I forgot your name, please. Maybe hey guys. She moved to the desert. Welcome. Welcome here again. I think we've been talking about all this so right.
To find the internet to find out the rivers and the two Universal individual area means respect. Yeah, brother. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's that part. I don't have it quickly accessible that shows the
Do this for us? Oh, yeah. I know. I don't care what your excuse is that turns over. Yeah - estate.
Yeah that was talking about this song chart here depicts that where you know Brahma creates and Vishnu to preserve the subtle sphere realize your realizes it same thing happens with the gross fear Brahma creates efficient preserved in their real lives or realized today. And that's how you go from sound sleep to dream to wait fulness. It's time to go to sleep Sheila do
Troy's the gross fear in the réaliser that's you and me and Rocky are could be for Rocky to goes back to reinstate and when she was destroys subtle sphere you and me and Rocky revert to some State unconscious part of the shore state where your merged in the Divine totality of things. So in the future when all the relevant commercial interests have
Bird infinite intelligence. They will sell Sheba sleeping pills into action. If you're not going to sleep that's gives a different picture on destruction doesn't it destruction is the puts you to sleep another more beneficent view of roll.
Okay, I'm going to reading number two number three. How does it relate to the microcosm and the macrocosm since ishwar is associated with the universal can he be associated with what chart to and divine people characterizes and universal mind and the universal body? Okay. We haven't talked about that. That was I did I think we'd better not attempt at right now.
That's a very interesting connection to make sure to by the way is Zim God speaks. I forget which charted is chart 11 or something for is issue Our God, how can issue RV lord of the universe and yet unconscious of real self since issue are is the all-powerful Lord acting and projecting into the realm of nothingness is ishwara, not essentially
An instrument of Maya. If not, then what is the relation between ishwar and Maya so we brought that up a little bit this morning. Anyone want to comment on that question and we dealt with it kind of in group will do the opposite of my has a shadow. So he is the shadow Malaysia. Yeah. It seems that my I don't think of
Ishwar is the exactly the same as Maya because ishwar is not a shadow. Exactly you sure is actually a god state after the dishwasher is the principle of falseness. Anyway, that would be these are questions in the future. We're gonna graduate seminars on them and give my opinion and we know when the conflicts
Become spicy enough. We can have some good religious wars next year. Okay. Yeah for next year from now, you know in London everybody's interested when I repeat, right? Yeah, and we could have some good fights. Yeah, London are they had their one of these in a rugby? What do you call Clubhouse where you call home dip and you know, one of the big things you do ro G with scrums.
But City, can you describe it a scrum and we could scrum if we have a good enough disagreement it gets in a circle and fights over who gets the ball, right? Yeah, if it's if it's an organized strong man that everybody.
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