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PORTFOLIO WARD PARKS INFINITE INTELLIGENCE SESSION FOUR
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Is sort of connected and have with the opposition if it's spontaneous what we called Blue small? Yeah, then everybody just piles in that sounds like more like the LA to style and dedicated to the illusion which is stains reality. Yeah. So what is that? I kind of just ain't ya nice thinking of almost like issue.
Wires in it. They score as the creator of the illusion. Anyway, yeah, you can see actually I never thought about that before but in view of what we're talking about this morning, the illusion does does sustain realization does it not we could not realize anything without that illusion, which ishwar is spending all the time. We could not experience. That's exactly what that chart is about. You know Brahma has to create Vishnu and secure reserved for us to experience.
So issue are certainly 16 sustains realization and it is only through the process of innumerable realizations that we eventually come to the realization of God. That's for sure. So this is a little bit of what we were just talking about how and when to come to sense carrots in the sense Cara complex. So we're down in this lower erased the top half of the outline for together.
Wait pages of this is no page in particular this poster topics the conditions of realization. What are sense Kara's since Garrison the complex experience and Buddha's chain of causation, and it's going to bring in a little bit of Buddhism here if that's okay with you all very pertinent to this topic so in
The beginning of series 11 here 225 226. I know I will try to read too much pilgrim.
It is starts in series 11 is really the climax of infinite intelligence series means chapter, right? That's what Bible calls them here. And there are 14 series total but series 11 is like I don't know about a hundred pages long here. It's by far the longest and the first half of series 11.
Baba does kind of sums up the problem. That is the predicament of The Human Condition. In fact for the second half of this had as a topic on human bondage the cosmological predicament. He sums it up here and the problem is that to force yourself to realize itself. It has to do think.
Have to be as be in the thinking steak or in God speaks language would say conscious needs to be conscious at the same time. It needs to be without egoism. Hope Anna is the word that gets used - I'm Cara is another word in Sanskrit window is MM and the Baba goes over this wood bits and he's gonna do much of the book until this point.
Anyway, you know.
Stone form. Okay. What is in these conditions? Are you have to not have any egoism but you have to have infinite thinking so Baba asks the question. How does the stone rating that score? What do you think? How is it in terms of egoism? So, you know, right so the stone has got it made from that point of view that Criterion is satisfied. How about infinite thinking?
How's the stone doing on that score resume its most finite right? You see that all of these research of think of stone is like at the beginning A Primitive State at the beginning of the journey, but actually these are all representative of fundamental elements in the mix a stone is actually got it made where it comes to egoism. We actually need to become like stones but what it lacks is the infinite thinking
Now, how about a human being? How are we doing? So first infinite thinking goes we bid on it. We got to make how about on the egoism account? Yeah, we have to get rid of it. So we're golden on the thinking score. But we got it all wrong or ego is in this concern also to get god-realized. You have to stop realizing
The universe. Okay, how are we human beings doing? So first Echoes Carol, we're realizing the universe all the time. How about ishwar? So first realizing how about you are an infinite thinking see actually infinite thinking can refer to ishwar to that's another name for it. So you two are is infinite thinking and this issue are realize the universe. No, not so why doesn't ishwar?
Realize itself as God because he's creating Universe. You have to neither realize nor create you have to have no egoism. You have to have infinite thinking you have to not create the universe and you have to not realize the universe ishwar has it made on the various other counts but issue are is totally occupied and creating universe. So all of these different states Baba goes through its today all represent fundamental elements of the mix, you know,
It's a so what you need to do is to become human stone. That is you need to keep your infant thinking but returned to the stone state of non realizing and no egoism Sababa spends the first couple pages of chapter 11 reviewing all of this. This is the preconditions of realization but now Baba then really starts to get into since carrots and in
One of his talks to the Mind Ali in 1926 by the said since Kara's are the foundation of my entire philosophy. They're the basis of the and I have not read in any of the other spiritual Traditions since Kara's to the same extent that Baba does there's a little bit in Buddhism Oklahoma bus'ness sometimes and various terms of it, but this is
Is the link of the chain keeps the thinking's in bondage. This is what makes us slaves. This is what we had all these references earlier to thinking the imagination what we've seen how ishwar creates the imagination and how ishwar makes us identify as with a with a stone for more various forms that much issue where does but what causes us to
There's a fight with it. We've just said so far that it happens. What causes that identification happen? That's where sense care has come in. The sense Cara is the link like this chart here.
The master track here. What causes okay, this is Stone and the most finite thinking of stone thinks the imagination and realizes the imagination right and metal. Same thing. Well, what cause what cause
Is that link to get made is a sense Cara so that brings you know up the question. What on Earth is a sense Kara and Baba never exactly gives a definition of a sense Cara but I thought I'd bring just bring up one of the things that we did it marijuana to go is a sort of beads on a string trying to
Bring in some of the perceptions from the other great spiritual traditions of the world as they may help to be relevant to what bothers own explanation things. So I wanted to bring in something from one of the spectacular Giants ID shankaracharya. Here's a these are images of him.
He was there not sure when we live but seventy eighty eight to eight twenty is one guest and he is the great the greatest figure in vedanta, if you know heard of advaita vedanta and give you a new advisor means advaita non-dual non-dual the Vitae. Is that related to our word to TW?
Will deviate about heritability to each other and I'd vitamins not to non-dual. He was the greatest figure in invited vedanta which Baba has explicitly embraced. Baba actually said I was shankara whatever that means. I'm Paula to remembered Baba actually saying that he was a perfect Master at least and some people think of him as a minor Incarnation the Avatar and
I would rank him personally for my limited knowledge of these things is the greatest philosopher of the world that I've ever read. I would actually rank in this number one sees a complete and total genius. Well, he is the Revival of Hinduism in India. That's right huge role in that. He actually the Buddhism
Comprised a huge challenge to Hinduism and shankara really formulated and understanding within Hinduism that was adequate to incorporate the understanding and insight of Buddhism. He's quite a towering giant giant of a figure. Well, the reason I'm bringing him up here apart from the fact that I think it's good to know about someone like this is because of
A concept that he called idea Sarah that I think is helpful in understanding since Carlos. Mascara is this is from the very opening section of a book of his called the Brahma Sutra Basquiat. I know you're getting hit with a lot of words here but promised to throw Basia Basha is a commentary right and you've heard of citrus astrophysicists short saying
The Brahma Sutra is a very great citric written but they but the ride but Dora and I forgotten precise meaning probably a perfect master. I would guess about second century BC or so in this book of shankara's I don't know. It's often called the greatest work of Indian philosophy. It's powering towering were is and
Opens with a discussion of this topic. So this section of the brahma-sutra bastia, which is right here is generations for centuries and centuries memorize this instance big original. So it's really over. I'm just letting you know, we're up on one of the you know, Himalayan mountain peaks here. Now, here's what the basic process of idea cell which means super imposition that
Is to superimpose one thing on another this was the basic cause of ignorance as he explained it and this is how he defined it the Asura the apparent presentation to Consciousness by way of memory of something previously observed in some other thing now, let me give you an example and we'll read this in the example. He gives a famous example.
And bother use this to you know, you're in an Indian village back in the eighth or ninth century and it's about Twilight and you step out the door of your your hot grass patched up and you see a sink but it's coiled snake crawled up there. Okay, but actually it's not the snake. It's a little coil of rope. This is an example of superimposition.
You see the apparent presentation to Consciousness by way of memory of something previously observed in some other thing that is you have previously observed snake an actual snake. And this is being the memory by way of memory of the snake is being presented to Consciousness and superimposed over the present experience. Right? I am superimposing my memory of a snake.
A coil of rope and I am experiencing that rope coil of rope as a snake because of the operation of idea sot. Okay. Now this fundamental process is the source of our failing to know I am God, it's this this is another word to Shanker is view. All that exists is God. He was the great formulator of this View and Baba said was the same thing with Ava is
Is basic worldview is identical to shun Chris and he said so it's nothing all of it exists is God, but I am super imposing on that actual reality the memory that I have taken from something else the memory of the past. So instead of seeing God I see this room because these memories from the past are getting super imposed on them. Do you get this this idea of superposition?
Should now this seems to me to be a description of what a sense Cara is you're taking the memory of something you have experienced in the past and it is a rising and getting super imposed on the present reality, which is nothing other than God.
Yeah, you do. Yeah. So like when you have the baby born or a teenager somehow we recognize that this is like this hardly ever fast, not me. How is it impose or how the sun's core is working like we can say okay that's persons for us or does her son's programming how we realize this heard. There's one story from the past or they're creating new ones. Yeah, they're being like the reason that you would experience.
That baby is that you have some scars from the past that are arriving and getting super imposed superimposed on because all there's no baby there. There's only God you're not there. I'm not there. The only thing that is here is God.
But all these since Kara's memories from the past your connections with that person your associations with babies. Whatever might be our superimposing themself on the face of absolute truth, which is the only reality in the picture. That's what a sense Cara is. I don't need that answer with you're asking what if I was a baby. Yeah, and you want to have no past. So what will my son Scott of you?
From your previous life and they come out while your penis lies. They arise region of sanskaras. I mean the first yeah the first instead of the how about you the first sense care is well. I must say that's the first time scale and then everybody else takes different thoughts. Yeah, but that's a uguuu. Sounds close that I mean.
No, those are the goods.
No, I'm just that's the source of it all. Well, it is good R by 2 sin square that keeps coming and winding up. Yeah because you see what happens is there's that Baba also characterized in God speaks. He gives it that phrase. Who am I that's one of the great ideas in the history of thought given by our Avatar explaining that point the original win for the original urge is who am I even himself? Yeah. I am not aware of that that
Pollination has been given before although I don't know. I am reminded maharshi was saying that to the Bubba was saying it from very early, but Baba has also characterized it as the first desire. Why would who am I be the first desire?
Well, we all desire is rooted in that that's that's the source of it all but the reason why is it that you know, I want no money or I want no pleasure. Well, it's because of these sense Kara's I keep superimposing instead of recognizing God. I keep superimposing memories and wanting that in
Stead, but the first desire is who am I, you know to put this Baba also uses this expression. It's the word for heard that before in the beginning was the word. No John to the Gospel of John we could relate it to the car and to this is really at the root of all the great religious Traditions. Yeah you unwell, I was just going to say isn't it the original?
Laughs and where we look at we look outside instead of right. It's an it's identifying that without except superimposition. He says superimposition as but as shankara defines it here the apparent presentation to Consciousness by way of memory of something previously observed in some other thing. This is a very beautiful definition actually see there's a doubling happens here. You're taking something.
From the past and you're folding it over on top of the present and the truth is is one the truth is how hit Unity of things. It's that primordial doubling that's where false witness comes into the picture. Yeah. So for two questions regarding this one is that doing that doing that process of the
Presentation to Consciousness all that. Yeah, but in closing that you've known.
Are we aware of it? I mean is this a conscious decision decision or choice? Or this is at the root of Consciousness. I guess you could only become conscious and when of it as such when you get back to the root to the root, I mean the very first sentence Cara was created this way.
So it's like a kind of a machineries kind of an automatic is always just getting done is just like
You just go and you know, well the very long as that false would exist. Yeah, the very evolution of Consciousness has as its purpose the achievement of full Consciousness so that you can start to ask these questions on your way back to answering the question. Who am I if you want the guy to ask who am I and as we were just saying the problem why why can't infinite intelligence
Agents answer that question because thinking is not there yet. It's most finite thinking so that first original impression is not sufficient to create an adequate medium for knowing who I am. So the one impression, you know, impression creates more Impressions and they breed more and more and more more and more and all these since care has become the medium through which Consciousness is captured.
That's how you accrue Consciousness in the first place. So it's not like this is a bad thing. This is
Essential this is the medium by hmm. There's no way out of this. Yeah. Well, you're just gonna have to wait till next week 800 question is, you know, my it might be out of context, but the question is the question of provisionally go.
And we're bolotov survived thinking about me or your master instead of yourself and repeating or kind of realizing. Yeah, we should wait until we get karma yoga. Okay, we're talking because what part of the question how to get rid of sanskaras, but we're still okay being is how we get them in the first place. All right, and the role that they're playing Sheriff. I want to know that
Once you know the so the first Soul realized that he is God in human form. So why did you know the god his answer? Laughs? Ooh-hoo is white. Why does it actually addresses that exact point in the description says that this realization is an individual
Variants so apparently individuality indoors right even to the state of realization of God. That's another huge separate question that you better not try to take on now. Yeah, we have a natural and unnatural samskaras. Yeah set up to the human up to human evolution. Are those considered natural? That's right. They are. Yeah, what's the difference between natural and I know there's been a lot of talk about this in the
About the world. Yeah, but let's just stick to Infinity colleges because the difference there is very simple. What's the difference between natural and unnatural since cars or in discourses? It's called natural and unnatural. It means exactly the same thing.
Why would the sanskaras you acquire during Evolution be natural?
Yeah. Yeah, it's that natural process. Yeah, where this Soul or the thinking and infinite intelligence is acquiring Consciousness Baba gives an analogy for this in series 12 infinite intelligence because it's like he's gives an example of a little stream in the
Corrado and at first stream is Tiny and there's a little stick in the street. That's your me that's thinking and it kind of goes very very slowly as that stream wanted to gets bigger and bigger the the state goes faster and faster and faster. That's the natural process of acquiring Consciousness or acquiring infinite thinking and the reason it's natural is that thinking is actually
Actually infinite from the very beginning. It's just suffering from the delusion that it's most finite because remember that the door of the I Am The Lion and the hole in the door. Well, the whole is Tiny and that's the form. So there's that Crossing line where that is contradiction where you identify the most finite form, but in reality thinking is infinite all along it just mistook itself or something. Other than that, so it's just a natural process.
Coming back into possession of itself. That's all it's just, you know, thinking realizing that it's infinite which it always was so it's natural in that sense. But why would it be unnatural in human form and the word unnatural here doesn't mean like perverted or let me give you an example of unnatural since carrots that I'm really concerned about a Mobility a
In here and there's some hurricanes hit and I you know feel guilty about all the money I have and I feel a certain amount of concern for the people who have been damaged by the hurricane and I want a good reputation for being a chair of God. So I give a million dollars. Okay, that that's those would create a natural since carrots that is to say it's good action. Let's go to action on my part, but it's not Karma Yoga either.
Attached to it. I'm attached to my having given money for my people to know I did a good thing etcetera etcetera. And so the since caressed I acquire are unnatural in that sense. They're good. You're good. There are natural other a natural sense Kara's I'm walking down the street and I see someone head of me and I beat him up and take his wallet. Okay that also acquires unnatural sense fear has it has nothing to do with good or bad.
They has to do with since cares that you acquire in human form. That's all. Why are they unnatural?
Cuz you're cleaning them. Then why are they different from like a you know, a tiger jumps on a poor dear? That's not bad. Right? You don't you don't need to get acquired them at all. When a tiger kills a deer it needs to do that as part of its Journey towards the full Consciousness. You have to have a balanced experience of every
In The evolutionary journey and that includes that this not the tiger is not doing anything it is what it's doing is necessary. But the moment you achieve human form. You actually don't need to go acquire any more Consciousness at all. So everything that you do is strictly speaking unnecessary Superfluous. It's redundant because the purpose of the journey was so that
I can I who am I? Well I'm now that I'm wide awake. I should answer the question and say I am God and everything else is redundant is a waste of time so to speak so it's unnatural in that sense. So that's a fundamental difference in the types of sense Kara's the whole evolutionary journey is the accumulation of natural sense Kara's and then you go through eight million four hundred thousand lifetimes in human form as those natural.
And scares come up you spend them in a choir unnatural since guys and then the involution are EJ is getting rid of sense Kara's through the three paths the methods that have been laid down for elimination. So the whole journey of the soul is explicable in terms of since Kara's again. I'm not aware. I mean the word Karma of course as well. And so that I'm not aware of this having been explained Humanity before the role of since carrots.
Play and all of this so the fold process of so going to work. It's an unnatural control all sense cares that we acquire human form are unnatural now, it is possible to act in such fashion that you don't acquire sense carrots and that's next week's topic, but that's the spiritual path.
How to spend since carriers and not acquire new ones. Yeah, but the normal human process is suspend them you acquire them.
That's part of it to be talking about right now. But let me give you a little more iron are but hit I'll hit you a little more shankara the heck this is I know that this is difficult, but I just to give a glimpse of it. This is I mean one of the greatest works of human civilization that any doubt doubt. I know this will be a little bit difficult, but I'll read a couple sentences.
We'll see if it makes any sense at all. I reckon somebody read out a little bit of energy. Can you read you're too small? Okay, it being an established fact that the object and the subject that are fit to be the contents of the concepts you and we respectively and are very nature as contradictory as light and darkness cannot logically have any identity that follows that their attributes can have it still lists.
Accordingly the superimposition of the object refer both through the concept you and it's attributes on the subject is conscious by nature and is referable through the concept. We should be impossible and contrary wise the superimposition of the subject and it's attributes on the subject should be impossible. Okay, super yeah. Got it. Okay idea. Sarah is
That's the word here. He's talking about. We and you that is the primordial subject-object of experience and he's asking how is it that we identify with things? Right? That's the problem. We think the image this is thinking the imagination and he's saying that the thinking and that making it infinite intelligence speak the thinking and the imagination
By Nature opposite to each other in infinite intelligence language. The imagination is non-existent. It doesn't exist at all. And the thinking is the reality it ought to be impossible for there to be any super IMS in position between one and the other okay. He's think it should never happen. How can this possibly happen Okay. Let's truth. Do you follow?
That I end you is. That is the Stark do it dualism of our experience. And that's the problem and our problem is we keep superimposing. We keep taking like I am my body I take body and I superimpose it on me. I'm mixing up two things that are not the same at all. That's this is what sense cares do they cause you to identify something that you're not
What does food across the sea of imagination and identifying right? So his death. What is that's what he's speaking to. This is an amazing opening to A Treatise. He's gotten to an unbelievably profound issue in no time at all. I know it's a bit difficult to read a little bit more nevertheless owing to an absence of discrimination between these attributes. It's also between substances which are absolutely desperate. They are continues.
A natural human behavior based on self identification in the form of eyeing this for this is mine right get it I am this descent scare has come up and you say I am this and the root of the problem. This is the thing that I wanted to get to owing to an absence of discrimination between attributes. The problem is in discrimination. I keep muddying things. I keep associating myself with things that are not me. That's the
To the problem and that's what a sense Kara does. It causes me to associate myself with something that I'm not and that's the basic process that hearing begins if we had a whole two hours to spend we could read a whole page or so and maybe puzzle it out. But that's what he's he wants to explain how this myth it's a mistake. The whole thing is a mistake. It's it's a blurring that's a failure to realize that this
This is a coil of rope. It's not serpent that this thing I have super imposed that superimposition is a false mixing up of things. I am associating myself with something that I am not that's the cause of the whole problem. So that's what shankara wants to start explaining. I know this is quite a you know, a challenging thing that this is this is an unbelievably magnificent work.
And his ability to get to the most essential of all problems within about three sentences is something you need to be worried a little through mistake is associating yourself with this whole experience in the first place. Here's another way. It's thinking the imagination. It's that imagination and saying I'm that that's
Superimposition. I am super imposing. I have an experience of I and who is I it's got its the internet in its thinking it's infinite thinking and I am super imposing that upon this experience of eating bad food. So that's context over because it's what's that it comes to solar because it's super imposed is just like a shadow walking. Yeah.
Right. So that in discrimination is the source of my being caught in the whole thing. And what you need to do is to cut this to cut is to end that superimposition. Another way of saying that is you have to get rid of your sin scare has since Kara's are the route primitive active in discrimination. Whereby I associate myself with something that I'm not and this has its basis in the very root is
Iu dichotomy IU means I am a subject and I'm experiencing an environment or an object and I keep superimposing on it. That is the in discrimination that is the source of all problems. And the task of spirituality is to stop superimposing that is to say to stop the operation since carrots. That's what he really means here.
So this is anyway, I just want to do a little bit of the sun. Okay, I'll meet you up a little bit. I'll free this again. I know it's very difficult, but I don't know is this making any sense at all or the subject-object economy in the Super's it and position of me who is real on the imagination, which is nothing which their opposite by Nature.
We superimpose one of the other. Yeah, this may come from having to communicate with other people that have been doing this for billions of years. But the root of the problem is in superimposition and we have to if that's what sense Kara's
Do you know they caught that dissents carries our superimposing causing me to identify with something that I'm not so get a good bubba anywhere mention from tuition and Shankar about this mother. I mean as I mentioned baba baba baba said I was shrunk her up. I know but we didn't say anything quote from Rumi and others and this body to mention about him.
He would mention him from time to time be doing a book, but we didn't quote philosopher who votes but in God speaks. Yeah. Well, I mean he said what about a said I was shankara. Oh, yeah about let you remember about the saying no idea just means the original.
The original soundtrack there are many other shunt resistor because of him. There's this is a shankracharya even to this very day. There's an order of people that he's the he's the original of them all. Yeah, but I also got speaks in the beginning of chapter 8 there by Eric, but obviously, you know given to him by Baba it says met her Baba.
What's the word except certain braces or somewhere like that without equivocation advice of the done te + y dot alleged and invite have a done to this? Everyone knows that shankara is the Giant and invite of a done te and why not I would you would you would is the school of given RV humbaba also said it was a perfect master. So bhava might as well as mentioned their names everyone knows.
This is who does refer to yeah.
But now how does send scare us actually work, you know have me get where do I have these go back to these spins again?
In terms of our discussion here. Okay, you have we have this the superimposition is a description of how simple sense current process works. But okay we have what you could call.
Memories, it's like a sense. Cara is a kind of a memory a captured memory. But in sounds did they originate in latency there in the fine state, right? This is the this one relate to us waking up from a sound sleep and going to sleep. It will relate to that scale of things. But it also describes just how a sense Carol would operate any way like even in the midst of a day Suddenly It's tends to go.
When Isis you have an urge to do something or another this would describe that process to a sense. Cara is lying latent maybe from your previous lifetime. It emerges into the subtle sphere remember talking to find sphere subtle sphere and gross fear it emerges into your subtle body your subtle awareness and you experience it as a desire.
Okay, then if you take it further and then act it it becomes enacted in the gross fear so these states of a sense Kara's relate to find subtle and gross that is latency where your unconscious of it and the subtle sphere where it's experienced is desire and the gross fear where precipitates into action so that is fear of any running plane, yeah, so we don't want it comes and goes as a despot desire
Don't put it into action. When you do well in the Stables here. If you put it into action, you can put it into action to you're just not conscious of that. You're not going to happen. I mean people in the subtle playing have bodies that act also. Yeah, but now when you put it into action
There's a word a very good word in them into intelligence here. You take the loopable. Are you can't you know, that word is the word is a word for like we could say enjoyment Mary Kay you remember who put bug? Yeah. You care all you probably because they got oppa baggage.
Two weeks ago and maybe even if you're going to have snack just now I'm up above means enjoyment in the sense that it's better. We don't have an English word that is equal to it. It's enjoying it in the sense of enjoyment or suffering either one equally equally that kind of enjoyment so, you know, I
You know, somebody beats me up and I have a broken leg. I'm taking the APA book of that experience. I got it. I'm taking Loop about that experience or I'm having sex and I'm having a grand old time having sex. I'm taking the loop of logo that anything like that the enjoyment of experience and it's that business of taking the APA bug the enjoyment or suffering of an experience that
Creates a new sense care that goes into latency goes back into sleep, but it's still there. And then that sense Cara What In Due season it might be the next day might be the next lifetime might be ten lifetimes later. It comes up as desire and you know precipitates into action. And once again, you take superbug of it and you acquire a nuisance Cara and on and on and on
It goes that's the process to cycling of sense Cara's kicking up goes on. I'm Francis brabazon wrote a line one. Once that comes to my mind right now and said the Merry-Go-Round is not so married when you start to realize that it keeps going round so you don't consider.
Unnatural since cars of this that the evolutionary process were sense cars are out. There. There there. What do you call a natural sense cars? Because that's through the natural cause of infected nature. And then when you become a human you have the choice and unnatural sense cars, like lust greed so much that's not mentioned again infinite intelligence. Is it any difference between those kinds of sense care has so far as this process goes?
Does well on this thing? It sounds like we're only dealing with the human factor here. This doesn't sound like we're dealing with the evolutionary Factor towards sense covers were natural. You know, I think it was applied. It does to do this but somehow or another. Yeah, it's not just old sanskaras coming up you seem to be acquiring new ones and tell that if I don't they must pull it free, you'll see my mind. I have a empathy for
Work for the sold in evolution to plant that tree grass Cormac, you know, I sort of embrace them as innocent beings about a human being then the human human condition is different. Yeah those we have whatever car well in The Human Condition. There's the moral element is come in in the possibility of choices there whereas in pre-human forms, that's not so so there's no culpability that attaches to anything in particular.
Pre human form in terms of anything they do. In fact, you're just doing what they should do because they go up require Consciousness, but I think nonetheless this is the same process works of since Kara's arising and manifesting as desire and then staying with Rosie and two dogs when tens dinner time you definitely see since I don't know. It's like sanskaras manifesting his desires.
They're jumping around waiting for a biscuit. So that's a sense carrots. And then you you eat the biscuit and you take the loop above the biscuit and it goes into your mental body in and it comes up again, but the in pre-human forms, you're getting more and more and more and more and more sense carrots, but that's a good thing because those are the receptacles for capturing Consciousness. So they have to do it and they should do it.
And click I mean including like they took a tiger pounces on poor helpless fear while tiger needs to do that because that has to acquire those sense caressed capture those aspects of Consciousness that will lead it to become a human being ruined a but in the human form. The thing is you don't need to be doing any of that anymore. It's all unnecessary. Yeah. Well, maybe I just saw those in the case of a plant or a tree it's taking water.
Yeah, and it doesn't have any thought of what the needs of other plants or trees are and I'm so there's no truth. So there's no moral judgment crap Planet water because it you know needs water. But if we were going to drown we went to the store and took all the water bottles offer a shelf right and kept other people from drinking that water hmm. We would be to blame but planets into play. Yeah, that's right because we're in a position.
In where we have achieved the full Consciousness that we need to answer the original question. Who am I and there's no need for us to be doing that stuff anymore. But for the tree there tree the tree it has to do and it should and there's no question of a choice coming into the picture. But for all of it irrespective as far as I can see, the basic sense carrot process is still there since Kara's emerging from latency and man coming into the form of Desire.
Air and then precipitating into action and The Binding element as best I can see for Sian in Pre human form. There's no question of a binding element. Everything is binding you're becoming more and more bound. The most bound creature is a human being. That's the lowest you bottomed out. You've become a human being so they're just acquiring more and more bondage but in human
Inform you don't have to be acquire bondage. And so it's very good to know that it's the chuppah bug the accepting the enjoyment of since Kara's that's what Minds. Okay. So this does offer the possibility that maybe we can escape from since Kara's and the secret lies in not being caught in this trap of taking the enjoyment of since carrots, but as a Total Wipeout of science cars in a given life,
That other words, you know your regular sense cars and when they're finished this time to go. Yeah true. Yeah, that's true. We spend the ones that have come up for that lifetime. But the problem is and of course the spending them we've taken the you bugs and gotten a whole bunch of new ones. Oh, that's the human dilemma if we could just if she actually went a sense care of let's say I go through a lifetime and then you know, I do good stuff.
If and do crummy stuff salmon basically a jerk and you know, I steal piece steal stuff and I have relationships and break them up right and left and leave a trail of broken hearts to my whole life and people whose, you know, I screwed over in business and things like that. Actually I have gotten rid of a ton of sense Kara's I did that because I had those since carrots so that part of its good but the problem
Is that in the course of spinning them? I got a ton of sense carrots. Oh, and those are all back into latency and my next lifetime. Those are going to come up. So actually you dip in spending since Kara's you really are. You need to get rid of them that part that half of it. It's right so that the art of human human form is to learn how to spend them without getting new ones and it takes 8,400,000 life tons in reincarnation before you
You even start before you even get on the path starting on the do that?
Did some stuff from Buddhism CFM I wanted to show the Buddhist accountability, which I think is very Illuminating. I think describes. Yeah. Yeah, they're marvelous there for marvelous discourses on since guard the formation and fun.
Action and then the elimination of them and he describes five basic methods of getting rid of them. Yeah, that's what they've always wanted thousand. It seems kind of counterintuitive to me about the other things. You always hear about you don't seeking and getting to conduct report from mask and it would seem to me that you know that they would be circumstances where you could derail or sore you can break up that there will be wasted to shortcut that matter.
I mean is that that's not a solid number and all circumstances that everyone has to have a 24 2008 it seemed sort of counterintuitive that they're being this preset number of a number with no allowance for individual differences in hand senses. And yeah, well Bob I did say ones that you can cut it short by a contact of the perfect master. That is a that is a way to cut things short. I think it just takes a long long time before you're at the point of new.
Going to want that the problem. I mean The Human Experience is you just go on around wanting things. Like let's suppose all the way. I I just want to be rich, you know, if I Were a Rich Man with that song I was with dinner. The sense care has come up and you become a rich man. And you know, you live it in a kind of selfish way and you take the fruit of experience you take
Under the experience you die. And then you have to experience the other half of that and your poor again and you know, it goes on I guess I'm saying the forensics are going with that Avatar comes at the back of every afternoon cycle and his presence is facilitating a speeding up or of this and it's you know, Papa said this I come into the for the benefit of all creation frame one of the think that that would help too.
Help evolution of creation. They would search to help it speed up this process, you know, so I guess that's why that the hold of the there are different schools of opinion about the world on this. So this is another subject in which we could have a good scrum. We're kind of scrums earlier. No. Yeah. I know all I know about the didn't say
Number of times 8 million toward a thousand lifetimes and there was a place where he said you can cut it short through contact with a perfect master and beyond that. I don't know but I do know there are a couple of other things about this. He did say that in evolution you pass through 8,400,000 species. So that number appears to be a significant. Well, there's 50 million four hundred thousand with every every illusion of form gasps metal Fishburne 8,400,000 in each
Each level the to do in June. Here's the 50 billion four hundred thousand. Here's the here's the thing. Here's a here's a Gary Klein Iran, you know Gary Kleiner. Yeah this observation which I think is pretty amazing. This is just our bother did you say that's right, but it's a very interesting coincidence the you know, the human the ovum and the sperm each has 23 chromosomes.
And they you know, when they unite created an embryo are 46. Well 23 each to to the 23rd power. That is two times two times two times two twenty three times your calculator. You can do it equals almost exactly 8 million forty thousand. So whole within like 11 or 12 and it isn't that amazing the roof. So it looks like the number is
To me. It's actually in the upanishads was that now that no more that was including all lower forms prior to that that wasn't just human forms that was including more funders that there's a human human is that as as sort of fantasies become extinct on the planet and you know, whatever through environmental phenomena, whatever that not necessary. I'm not mr. Lee human number, but in terms of numbers of forms,
Of the lower forms inhabited with decreased because certain vehicles are just going to be available, you know, like always what it is. They like end of you know, how many species of the lower vertebrates are going extinct every year, you know, I mean, like if the dams that isn't either reinforce the loan there's several thousands of species of lizards and these are going extinct all the time. So these forms are dropping off the chart, you know when your mother did actually speak to that and he said that when
A particular species or particular form becomes unavailable the advancing stream of Life finds another route for having the same experience. Here's a you know, another form will be usable for having experience. And here's another thing the bobbin say that I'm going to flip in there. There are 18,000 planets with human life. God knows how many there are with life a billion 500 million. I mean it
Huge number, so it's like you find my you know frog and the next frog species that I wanted. I need to identify with is just not their planet Earth because been wiped out I can say well if you're not going to provide me with the form I need I will just go somewhere else. We've got a whole universe to play this out in so one way or another it's going to happen. And where did that figure come about the
It's with human life. Baba said it a number of times but I saw it and avatars Abode there. They have notes the princess trebizond took the Bubba had dictated and he explicitly said that eighteen thousand planets with human life and here are different contradictory statements here and there but this thing I in avatars abode
That I saw was quite explicit on it and they were notes of Francis took so I take it to be true only so some planets were one of the percent by somewhere 75 points and the Earth is 50/50 first people are 50% hard hat because I might so the hundred percent that has planets extremely Advanced Soul studied events and intellectually. Yeah scientific, right? And this is the only planet on which the evolution your evolution of Consciousness occurs. Yeah, which
Spiritual hierarchy and then we had like maybe Albert Einstein or someone who has a rocket. I know where the V2 rocket and what did he come from? Yeah example also say that no aliens have visited this place, you know, I don't know. I'm not your little bit nipply better get back to this questions that I think we might have to get a week.
Lord fill us in on yeah now these are this is not from Baba. I took I found this in just another book that sin 2 Theta. Yeah. These are there's a lot of talk of cart. This is tell you about Karma's but karma is another name for an accumulated group of sense care has associated with a certain kind of action the law of karma sends.
Describes the mechanism that causes Karma, you know people might say well why should there be a law of karma, you know? Well, it's because of since care has this idea Assa process these this these Impressions being made the logic of Impressions is they have to come into Consciousness in this tent and when we talk about a process of that results, that's law of karma. Okay. Anyway, this is since Kurt Karma's have been
Describe this way son chick has since Kara's those are dormant and an analogy given for this would be like arrows in the quiver her abduction scares and Bubba talks about that as a matter of fact robbed of karma. He talks about prob distance Kara's in with the discourse. I think on the circle. These are like arrows and flight once you've you know shot the arrow Dies cast, you know, you're going to get nuisance girth and
Fiona - in scares his potential Karma. These are Karma's that could be created but don't have to be like arrows that have not yet been made but could be made so these are categorizations that you'll find in. I don't know where this comes from. This might come from the Piranhas or something like that. I'm not sure but there's a lot of talk about this whole some karmic process because the big question is in.
Form, how do you get out of it?
Now here's what Buddhism presents us with. I'll let me show you this colorful chart here. These the Buddhist word for it is right here. I don't know if you can read this. It's a mouthful but this is one of the most Central most important ideas that Buddha seems to have time pratik yet sum of product.
Track tedious and pada. You got that one pretty get some other repeating the such a big idea and what it means is dependent arising and the Buddhist I but Buddha was trying to characterize the phenomenal world. And as Buddha explained it the phenomenal world is soulless it has no soul. It is full of
Australian and nothing has an autonomous independent existence as soon as you get one thing. Another thing is there there's a formula for it. I have it here somewhere. But if this then then that if not this and not that that if this ceases to be then that ceases to be everything is dependent on everything else. Everything is bound everything else that was
Buddha's whole theme was suffering and his what he proposed offer was escape from suffering and part of his analysis of suffering was this particular sum of product. Everything is tied together and bound together and in particular he described this chain of causation. This is go ahead stop and stop me if I know this is a lot of stuff but I'm it's a wheel. This is the wheel to keep spinning. This is the process.
The time keeps us bound. This is the wheel of karma you might say. These are the links of the chain keep us in bondage. The root of it is ignorance. Remember how shankara and that's part of the reason I wanted to reach Umbra the root of the problem is in discrimination right where I superimpose on I've mixed up myself with something that I'm not I associate myself with
Like my body, I think I my body that's a super imposition that has the same Insight is this does the root is ignorance? That's where it all begins from ignorance. Arise since carrots. Actually. I think it's the same as Bob has word and since Garros protected precipitate Consciousness. Okay. I'm going to go all through all these but then we'll look at a diagram which I think will help with it more.
From Consciousness comes name and form. That is I am this, you know, I'm married cake. I'm bored. I'm this little whatever you call this device pointer laser pointer that's name in form. But the Stick of a human beings because it's easier to understand. Okay, I'm Mary Kay as soon as you've made that identification the organs of discernment the
Senses come into picture that is the five senses seeing hearing tasting touching smelling and the sixth is mind Lotus considered mind to be as six. The soonest Mary Kay that identification has been made. She starts to exercise move out to these organs of discernment and through the medium of organs of discernment you make contact with things like I see you.
I see that brownie. I see that man who wants to beat me up. I have contact with things through that through the organ through the contact results from Sensation. Oh that brownie tastes good. Right old guy that guy punched me in the nose that hurts.
That sensation then leads to desire trishna means thirst. I want another round like that from desire comes attachment. I I want that Brownie and I grab I seize it. I try to possess it. It's mine from attachment comes becoming identify with it. I simulate it I become it and that leads to
It projects a new birth and a new death in the future. Let me show you this diagram which I think will make this clear. I think this is a beautiful it's like in summary the process of bondage right? You see that this is relating. I'm bringing this up because I think it's very helpful in understanding this whole Business Essentials carrots. This is how this was classically described these first two ignorance and since
Are like the past their the past that kicked the that precipitates itself into the present and there the past cause that lead to the present effect that is to say ignorance coming from the past combining the since Kara's from the past precipitate in the present in Consciousness name and form and I did it.
Flying with this particular person and stuff the six senses the six Gates of discernment contact through the medium of the senses and through that contact of a certain feeling pleasure pain. Okay, so that past cause leads to this present effect. Okay. This is the point where you can escape at that moment the process, but that usually doesn't happen.
Usually feeling leads to thirst and desire the desire erupts from the desire leads to the grasping and from the grasping leads to the coming. So this is the present cause the cause and is it did these are wrong this is mistake. This is past this should be present and that should be future we got these mixed up. Are you following this? Yes. Yes.
It's now that you've changed the yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's very confusing. So this is the cause in the past that leads to the present effect. And this is the present cause that makes inevitable a future Anakin. So once I've Had The Thirst and thirst leads to my grasping and grasping leads to my becoming my assimilating my identifying with it once I've done that
That I've made inevitable future birth and a future death that is this this this karma is going to precipitate again in the future and will lead to another debt. So we have the past the present and the future and this process goes on and on and on and on until you let it upward until you learn how to escape and the Escape
Has to come by braking
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