Eruch Jessawalla - The Personal Side of Baba
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Please why don't you go just a day and then you can go for sightseeing now. We have no time all the terms you'd look at the it's natural for him. There's no time. You can't have many days holiday or something like so he is he has no time because he has to go the itinerary. So fixed is that he must go to their poor by the next flight and they have been booked over there, you know, there's a palace in a lake. They want to have the taste of it and all that sort of thing.
And see who they put on all them. And from there they are going further not so when they are going what had happened was that he went straight with the heavy baggage to the booking office there to confirm his flight and all that and told his wife. What was the name of the wife Nice name? Forget this so said you pay off the cabbie, man. So she is fumbling and all that in a bag that she's carrying. All the checkbooks are there.
Everything is that the credit cards and passports and everything visa and every whatever it was did all the papers and money a lot of money.
They are going to spend 10 days for sightseeing in India. So while she is paying off she had put a small overnight bag there on the ground and a person comes and Indian census.
I'll help you. I'll help you and picks up the bag and tries to get away. So she's in a panic. No. No, you keep it here. He doesn't understand English. So what she did she threw the whole bag in the cab and she ran out to the man and the man who disappeared in the cavities Gabby man took away the cabin finish. That's all that's the end of the whole thing. So she goes there tells to her husband. This is what has happened.
So husband when getting down he had noted the number of the cab. So you remember the number of the cab, but he didn't know whether it was MB F + HB or something or other that that was missing them. So he reported to the police but he says well, what about the letters that are there? This is I don't remember that but I know this this is the number of the car so nobody's paying attention. So naturally they again go to jollies place.
As we go to you and says Jal we have lost everything they have no nothing left.
Y'all's and comforted them and says wait wait, we should do something. Have you reported to police and say yeah, we have reported the police but we have nothing left now and this is New Year. Next day's the new year. It should be.
So it so happened that well cut the whole story short what had happened is many things paper reported all the episode and all that. They are trying to find out but no nothing. So Jal takes him to his sister who is a bit of a look. He was a lawyer Charles sister was Allah. She is no more here. She's in Switzerland most Hardy. So she takes them to the police coming.
Police head who commissioner Commissioner of police who is the head
And there she goes on jabbering, you know in our own legal terms is well, our image of India is at stake. Now here is the vice president of Chase Manhattan bank has been robbed and has no money and you are shooting something and this and this and that and everything is stirred up and who's going to look is a holiday now tomorrow is the new year. We are going to go in for all this sort of thing, but immediately because of her talk you see immediately the to cognize and love is as well. We'll call somebody. Please don't feel
What about it? We'll see but did you not report says nobody took interest in our case. We have been trying to tell those people but they said why don't you remember the number? How are we supposed to do? Remember? I remember the figures. I don't remember the letters in this and our anything eventually what happened is that he called his men and within 24 hours. You see it so happened that they could trace it was traced the phone rang and it was considered that it is found, but it is now
Culprits have been caught so they went to the office police office to collect it, but they were refused they were not given this is well, you'll have to wait because it's in the custody of the magistrate now because case has been filed against the culprit. So these things are needed as exhibits. Yeah evidence. These are things no, please wait for a day or two. We are losing time here. So what had happened is they waited.
And in the meantime New Year's evening when they are again at the dining table the sun phones Maria Papo saying that Ma we are found everything, but we haven't got it yet. But in this time we'll be seeing you will be coming to and she it was the best present for the New Year from Baba. She was so happy and then just just hear the tale here.
She comes and she's very happy and tells me that and I said look Baba heard your prayer a but at what cost the hard way he has to learn. So yeah Baba brings another brings. She would talk like that is it all brings his love will bring so I said, yeah and then their tail now that said they couldn't come there this next day. They couldn't come something happened what had happened. They told us when they came so, both are there.
My mother is very happy and all that all are here. The whole family's here mother son. Daughter-in-law. They are all here, but they are very happy to have come here. They're not sad because they got all the things they had lost and everything was found. Nothing was lost. Most important thing is the credit card. He said so the thing is that what had happened why could they not come the next day because it was in the custody of the magistrate so when the court opened on 2nd of January
We went there because we were told to go to a certain magistrate there in the court there and he'll be handing over the things we went there. And now she picks up the conversation says this is the most humiliation I've ever come across in my life. So what is the humiliation I said going to the court to get your thing. This is not not that are ash. So what happened? This is that was the day when Bombay seem to have selected to during certificates to all the
Since I was surrounded by a couple of hundred prostitutes and I was by myself over there you see and to pick up my things and he says are is because we didn't listen to her mother.
On my New Year's Day. I had only one banana and a glass of water.
But at last we I hear this is how you bring this year. He accepted that but then here they had a little secret talk and conversation with Baba which they eventually told us and of course this one's fantasy or whatever it is. So what is happening now now let us digress to the day that they were at y'all's place for the first time with mother mother is there to be bundled and sent to a Madonna.
And anyway, you want to hands over her to Jal and Dolly but they they are insisting. Why don't you go with your mother and all that? So this talk is taking place between jolly and her son whereas she is turning and admiring. The portrait of Baba is a big picture of Baba the just did as you entered in that place.
So she looks and then she this is what she confided eventually says when I look there and while this debate is taking place mother is insisting that I should come they are insisting that we should go there. But now my be very determined to go for sightseeing. So what I see in Baba, actually I saw she says the mom is not at all pleased and he's frowning at us and he is very sad, and he doesn't want us to
Go like this you see but I start I thought this my own fantasy years just in my imagination or something that I will I didn't pay any attention to all this other thing and then we left and this happened and I was reminded of it.
And then when we came back
And we are in the midst of all this and eventually we heard on the phone and job. We are meeting Jolly again once again, and we are at the place we have decided to now go to Baba the same picture that frown the smiled and well approved of our plans. You see very much.
That's what she said people intelligent people they are but they feel that way it seems like that. So this is how one of the ways how he got how he brings us to our him by the tail also drags provided. His mother is on us, you know, what mother means
Another man's eye sight is a tension once he has his attention on someone or some being cannot Escape.
That's how it is.
One case was the wife this very happy when everything has all disaster there and another mother very happy when son loses everything.
And they haven't met Barbra they know nothing about Baba in but they know everything of him to feel that way. This is what I come to that conclusion. Is he? Otherwise how can that be? They don't have any association or until sir? No, no such contact as we had a 40 years.
As a backing nothing of the sort. This is the miracle of Bob is love.
This is what we were talking about. The four lettered word love love what this love is. I don't know.
Funny thing another another way of calling the baba baba wanting him to come.
We are City seated here. The whole Hall is full. It's really very full not the scattered that we are and these are the early years and we are talking about most personal things about Baba. Did Bob has no, did he sleep what sort of toothpaste did he have any teeth? Did he wear glasses? What what sort of toothpaste she was using what sort of soap he would use. Did you take bath every day?
And all these personal things because when they came in the beginning that was the most important thing for them to know about him and of course, we supplied information and we opened our hearts to them and felt happy, whatever must be happening to them and they were their most of them are the ones who are now the residents.
They are there now here. They are become the residents now.
So that was the day when they had probed deeply into the most personal side of Baba and I was giving them the information being open to them because I felt that pulse and the heart that there really is not inquisitiveness a curiosity is the love that they want to know the personal side of Baba. So we were I was engrossed in telling them all this and in walks a person.
Stranger you could immediately feel the strangeness of the stranger is he and I said J bhabha and no response. He went in go straight and finds a little Nook there and sits down. So I look at them. No talk. We are all paralyzed can't speak out. You can't say things you see personal conversation is just
Broken immediately. There's a deep silence. There's nobody speaks. It's very embarrassing, you know, so he sits there I said, good morning. Good morning. He came in the morning. When when did you arrive? This is just now from where have you come from? The state's monosyllables?
You came from the states must be in India for some time. So now I've just arrived just arrived in India. See you last night. So what happened? I came Street by taxi.
Your come here straight directly. Yes.
From your come from the stage. So yeah.
Who told you about Bob? You must have heard from somebody?
No, I first asked. Do you know somebody in the states?
Some Baba lovers, this is no I don't know buddy. I don't know anybody. So who told you about me Baba then how did you happen to come here and cryptic answer was Paramount's Yogananda, Tony?
Paramount's yoga number first you see of course. I know that he is no more alive, but I thought that there are so many bubbles and paramahamsas. And yogananda's another one may have cropped up. Who knows. So I just said well in which part of the states is no, California.
Bowman see Yogananda, there's a center there.
Is he alive so he for the first time smiled saying that what a fool he is. He doesn't know that he has passed away. This is not he is not allies posture as then. How did you tell you?
Come on, speak out. What is it? What's what happened?
This is always so simple, you know from my child is my parents are the lovers of paramahansa Yogananda.
You suck. I have been brought up to love him.
And I loved him deeply very fervently. I like what he says and I lived that life that he wants me to you live and lead from my childhood and growing know him and love him.
But
I had a great yearning to see in once physically a long too long to here.
Seeing here in speed once in my lifetime.
This interesting story developing. So I said then what happened? So one day 15 days ago. What had happened was that with all these thoughts which are overpowering to eyes I was lying in bed thinking of him and wanting to see him physically and he appeared
And he told me I want you I should be very happy and I was but he didn't seem to respond to my joy and happiness on the contrary. He said I would have with a firmness and Authority. I want you to go to Mario Bava.
That he gradually receded himself means faded out and I Wonderstruck meher Baba. Who is this? I had not heard of him. So I tried to turn the pages of the telephone directory is Drizzy here, where could he be and all that eventually traced him out somewhere. And I think if I remember right he told me that meher Baba information is listed or something like that. Is it listed your telephone?
Yeah, so he must have inquired from these people, you know, and this is here. You can have you can you can you have to go to India for it. So said India is in India. This is yeah this in India and natural even Rama per month. So tells me I can't I can't resist I must go so I make reparations. But before that I asked will I be able to see him this is well. They told me that you won't be able to
To see him I said why if I go to India won't I be seeing him socially passed away so many years ago passed away. This is yeah. It was a shock to me.
What to do now should I just go to India for what because rapper monster tells me to go will I see will I meet him what will happen?
Eventual what has happened is that I try to follow what he told me because I am a follower of paramahansa and I have come here.
Just come just arrived.
So I said well done you come here to the right place. It's good.
And he was here with us. He heard all the things all the stories about Baba and all so this is how people come we're here one after the other.
This is slow and steady stream that flows that he makes people heart get closer and closer to him.
That's how it is.
Tim as to harden who you should let him come we'll make him speak out for himself. You should hear his hilarious story of how he came to Baba.
That wild person by name Alan Wagner. You see have you heard have you heard have you all heard the story of how my Jack came to Baba?
You were there at the time when he was shaken up and all that, you know the story you should hear him. Tell him to tell you all. No wonder he is doing this playing upon you people now the same.
Because he didn't realize what's happening why this man is after me like that? Yes.
And it was so good that he was after me said it what prompted him to do that. Allen says till this day he does not know.
But he was a fierce-looking Persona. Alan was very Fierce looking you should ask even well he speaking. He looks at Alan. Yes, it just turns away. So he was really with all his hair. You know you love beer to push it.
You would like to hear about John my jacket. Oh my God. Yeah you tell it's not. Nope. You tell.
But will you help me he has a story?
There's something beyond that they feel is all about the same thing as the love to give the other half of that, but this one isn't continued.
We were at we were followers of Yogananda ex-husband and I and he was in prison for boy at the draft board and they refused to send them the lessons anymore when they found out he was in prison. So we said and then we became followers of Allah
So what had happened this is I don't remember the sequences although I have heard it twice or Thrice its toll but this is what happened John he had gone through
Well, he had a case for spirituality. He wanted to know the meaning of life. You see how what is all this so he read this book and that philosophy and we went to different classes and schools and this and that and all that. He was a Searcher from very young age.
So
And in his search one day he had gone to some Bookshop book stores.
And he was trying to find out which book was that something to do with philosophy or some such thing. He wanted to read something something very enlightening some Oriental philosophy essay.
Because East has the key. It's mysterious East you see and so forth. So he's driven. They're trying to sort out what to read in all he is then he's trying to have a talk with the one who is selling those books and all that. Can I help this book or this book or this book? And there is a ferocious looking person behind some shelves there and he knows he's noticing he has noticed him this season that some peculiar looking person is there, you know, but he is he
Doesn't mind that and he's talking with the person who's supposed to sell him some good book.
So while they are discussing the pros and cons of This Book of that book and all that all of a sudden there comes a person rushing at him and holds the shoulder and just shakes. If you see this is you'd swear that him used to swear a lot. He says Alan used to do that and swore at him bitterly. You may call it. You see this is whatever you call it sob and all that and since you you
Instead of going to marry Bobby you're doing this. What is this? Look here. We'd have a passbook. And then he said take this is my address. He shook him thoroughly the way that he shook him. You see was Marie. Yeah. It was something you see that brought him down to the Earthly level, you know, where he is. So this is the some crazy person. Who is this?
Smell Baba and all that. I don't know anything about it and he completely left the place and went away walked out you see and says coincidence how many times I came across this again this man somewhere on the street or someplace and I used to get frightened and he says, well, you can see me I gave you the address. He came to me once into my house and then he saw a started telling me about Mayor Bob and all that why he was after me. I didn't know.
But I complete now forget now. Can you follow it up? What happened? Then? I met him about that time. Who jet John? Yeah, it is what it Alan look like then I told Alan was very very ferocious looking person B. There's no here hippie days.
Do you have a lot of here? Yeah.
Big bushy beard
: Scraggy a beard Michelle.
Yeah, yes. Yeah he had.
But it's not the same quantity of hair. But the way the hair stood up using the eyes and to come all of a sudden as a stranger and Shake him up you seem to some senses. He don't you have sense. Don't you remember don't you haven't you heard the name and you should lose this going after these.
People and he abused the Saints and the sages and the perfect Masters and all that. This is what sort of a person he seems to be a crazy person and he didn't care for him. Some mad people are the time, you know, drugs people drug addict. And again, he had to confront him again. This man is after himself. Well, didn't I give you the address and he looked sternly at him didn't I tell you to call on me? Why did you not?
Do it. Who is this person and again some excuse you gave and all those as well you come and see me, you'll have a good talk and so forth. So twice here. It happened then it is said that I think Allen himself paid a visit to him or some something that is going to his house Alan now. Listen what I'm going to say. That's how John heard of Baba.
How long was that Franco before he appeared in Myrtle Beach who Ellen? No, John. Well, I must have come to Myrtle Beach for the first time in the very early 70s, maybe 72, but I think you farted.
I don't care for for Easter. That's right. Oh, yeah.
How really bear we're here. He didn't bring any parrot there, but they were very I remember them when they first came to just a disgusting looking. Yeah, really?
You have the word. Well, they would degenerate sir. There were all kinds of people coming in. But well the whole group and Alan was just was was when I well Alan.
They were well you you you wondered why.
They were there and if it was I mean and then later later he came back and you know, he eventually out and moved to Myrtle Beach and we saw a great deal of him. Then I had to get him out of jail and he would come he would come to our house in the night. You know what he was.
When he needed food, this is true, you know, this is true. She was a he would come to our house and he would eat a jar of mustard. You know, what yes things like that.
Yeah, he would eat everything. He would eat everything.
Then he would go off to wherever he was going that night. Then he would go out to the nightclubs and whatever he would be full. Yeah.
It's already been on universal. Well, what happened was that he he came merpeople moved to Myrtle Beach when they cannot live anywhere else in the world that desperate. I mean, this is this is quite true. And then finally he could
No longer live in Myrtle Beach. He had the opportunity to come here and to work for James Cox and James Cox during that period was hiring people like that. Who and well Eric and Heather and all these these numbers people.
It was I remember he was he was sitting in a chair in our living room and he was his life was a wreck in Myrtle Beach. He couldn't eat it and he was going to have to leave in this opportunity came from James Cox and so he took it and eventually that led him as you well know the living in Bangalore and then and
In the South and then eventually I said, I would assume James Cox fired him and then he came here. And so now he has he has he's able to employ all of these things. He's in India so that he can he can dress any way he chooses.
And no you can abuse him give users the servant and now and you he has all the spices that he has all these things. And and now John my Jack is here. He abuses John it's like it's full circle. It's closer. And the only thing it's different now is is that Alan's older John still looks like he's 17
Alan is much older and much heavier. He's lost his hair and he's here. He's here. It's he's loved by by all full circle. This is this is the end of the road for him nowhere else to go.
He does that when he comes here only when he comes to you should see him where he lives come there on announced sometime and you'll see it's like two people.
This is it's it's an act by the way. Do you know that Alan's mother had come? Yes. He looks like a dancer does.
I've never seen him that I've seen him stagger.
I see Alan and it holds out. Hope for me that if
Alexander Queensland by the time it's true. It's true. He he worked in a he worked in a night and not a country club in Myrtle Beach a beautiful stately Country Club that had a dining room.
And no one came and he had a staff. He had a staff of men and we would we would go there for dinner and the stab the waiters would be would be drunk and Alan would be we have been drinking.
Alan worth a tuxedo that was very tight tight and you would go there and we we went there a group of us one night went for dinner and our waiter was could not stand up straight. They had to lean against the wall like this standing straight up in order to take it got it got worse and worse. The meals were wonderful. The food was wonderful.
At this place Allen did a lovely job for these people but no one came to this restaurant. And this was and and finally this is what led him to the place where he had to leave the United States. He was doing everything that he could and it and so he finally just had to come here. You still want this running.
It's a marvelous.
A a I remember he he asked me if we would join this country, but we had no money was going to cost us $1,000 to join this country and then we could come there to eat more and there was no one that ever went 30 great dining room great term. It is Vining room in a way that an American version of like the pilgrim Center dining room, by the way, it is now and so now he's got a crowded dining room.
And lots of people coming to eat after Alan live. No no hear it. It's all changed. It's all changed. It's all it's much better. Now that was still drunk. I was different. I would different nature of a different nature and he's Allen and in that nature. Allen is because he's quite drunk now, it's quite quite intoxicated.
With with his love for Bob. He has all of his bad habits, but he has acquired.
Something much greater
And it's changed.
But while the tape recorders running, I don't want to say anything nice about
Have you ever witnessed the conversation that takes place between John and Jack and Alan no.
Have you know, but I I have been hearing whispers you see Alan Stern. Yeah.
He has remained faithful disciple of his master Helen that shake up here.
John is a very yeah calm and peaceful person is very this is very impressive like that. It seems to be very very Serene and thoughtful person and he provided Master. Yeah. Well, it's a beloved Master it always goes like that. What about ruining some shouldn't ugly?
Was a wild master and roomy was a learned scholar in jalaluhu.
By the way, how does he behave with the Philippines son is wonderful. He's very fussy about your table manners who have to use an Implement to take the food. If you take anything with your fingers, he comes out and all of a sudden he comes out.
Don't use your fingers use the floor use the fork to reach but when you're seeing behind the screen, right, you know, the key you want to see the fact that it's always behind this.
Two of them hovering behind this man to handle things without such one person like that things will move anymore. No checking battery disappearing around. We thank God for all of our being here.
The other side armor outside is hard hard inside is soft. Why do we like that? Could you please make your couple degrees in so much pain? That's bad.
The things nicely softie on at the same time. This is come out nice like that. Now we just takes to you and it knows we'll be done and we'll take the deal. That's what they all say. Finish your tea. They just take the pot away more, you know your cup and Mark. How do you do in your restaurant?
Oh, I'm just let me finish it when they like pick up the tip and I didn't want to say yes one man. One time among hosting Hazard. Mom has like that son-in-law. Is that a Lisa?
His mother was Moma marks daughter Fatima. So they were in Moscow one man came taking taking ablution is called we do in a wrong way now Hasan and Hussain birthday. They talk if they did the man directly that you're making wudu in a bad way wrong way. Dean Ambrose is feeling very hot. So they made a plan.
Then came to the man and said see I we are two brothers. He says mine who do is wrong and mine is back - correct. So we both of us make rooms ablution in front of you. You'll be a judge and tell us who is wrong with like and they put it book. They would have them ready singing and right and lastly the man said you were you
Was very right. I was wrong. I was corrected by you see this is one side of doing the thing in correcting the other side why you meet later look you don't know the principle of Islam is that is badly.
So in everything we can handle nicely efficiently like that Tim like that.
One thing here is a problem for me. I have to go off and on shut up and close the door of the closet lavatory latter 11:37 leave it open. So see I think not all of not all the Americans keep it open. Some of them keep it open and to the door of the lapse into the open. It looks not bad, you know, that is men they come out and it is altogether bad.
It should be closed like that every time so if I see
There's a man or woman I won't care. It is gone. I gave them and they do it but in my absence then I see it it open. I might have want to not because our servants or blind for such a thing, but they are very watchful for other things. If you distribute some eatables geese that proves they borrow two more eyes. That's all.
Of course such a thing. Yep, their eyes would not work Jeremy. So I'm the only person go there is much concerned about one thing from assault and that is when we leave the switch on you see in the laboratory or in those stalls over their bathroom water taps.
What're you or some when there is also water there are the tap is connected with outside.
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Eruch Jessawalla - The Personal Side of Baba
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Please why don't you go just a day and then you can go for sightseeing now. We have no time all the terms you'd look at the it's natural for him. There's no time. You can't have many days holiday or something like so he is he has no time because he has to go the itinerary. So fixed is that he must go to their poor by the next flight and they have been booked over there, you know, there's a palace in a lake. They want to have the taste of it and all that sort of thing.
And see who they put on all them. And from there they are going further not so when they are going what had happened was that he went straight with the heavy baggage to the booking office there to confirm his flight and all that and told his wife. What was the name of the wife Nice name? Forget this so said you pay off the cabbie, man. So she is fumbling and all that in a bag that she's carrying. All the checkbooks are there.
Everything is that the credit cards and passports and everything visa and every whatever it was did all the papers and money a lot of money.
They are going to spend 10 days for sightseeing in India. So while she is paying off she had put a small overnight bag there on the ground and a person comes and Indian census.
I'll help you. I'll help you and picks up the bag and tries to get away. So she's in a panic. No. No, you keep it here. He doesn't understand English. So what she did she threw the whole bag in the cab and she ran out to the man and the man who disappeared in the cavities Gabby man took away the cabin finish. That's all that's the end of the whole thing. So she goes there tells to her husband. This is what has happened.
So husband when getting down he had noted the number of the cab. So you remember the number of the cab, but he didn't know whether it was MB F + HB or something or other that that was missing them. So he reported to the police but he says well, what about the letters that are there? This is I don't remember that but I know this this is the number of the car so nobody's paying attention. So naturally they again go to jollies place.
As we go to you and says Jal we have lost everything they have no nothing left.
Y'all's and comforted them and says wait wait, we should do something. Have you reported to police and say yeah, we have reported the police but we have nothing left now and this is New Year. Next day's the new year. It should be.
So it so happened that well cut the whole story short what had happened is many things paper reported all the episode and all that. They are trying to find out but no nothing. So Jal takes him to his sister who is a bit of a look. He was a lawyer Charles sister was Allah. She is no more here. She's in Switzerland most Hardy. So she takes them to the police coming.
Police head who commissioner Commissioner of police who is the head
And there she goes on jabbering, you know in our own legal terms is well, our image of India is at stake. Now here is the vice president of Chase Manhattan bank has been robbed and has no money and you are shooting something and this and this and that and everything is stirred up and who's going to look is a holiday now tomorrow is the new year. We are going to go in for all this sort of thing, but immediately because of her talk you see immediately the to cognize and love is as well. We'll call somebody. Please don't feel
What about it? We'll see but did you not report says nobody took interest in our case. We have been trying to tell those people but they said why don't you remember the number? How are we supposed to do? Remember? I remember the figures. I don't remember the letters in this and our anything eventually what happened is that he called his men and within 24 hours. You see it so happened that they could trace it was traced the phone rang and it was considered that it is found, but it is now
Culprits have been caught so they went to the office police office to collect it, but they were refused they were not given this is well, you'll have to wait because it's in the custody of the magistrate now because case has been filed against the culprit. So these things are needed as exhibits. Yeah evidence. These are things no, please wait for a day or two. We are losing time here. So what had happened is they waited.
And in the meantime New Year's evening when they are again at the dining table the sun phones Maria Papo saying that Ma we are found everything, but we haven't got it yet. But in this time we'll be seeing you will be coming to and she it was the best present for the New Year from Baba. She was so happy and then just just hear the tale here.
She comes and she's very happy and tells me that and I said look Baba heard your prayer a but at what cost the hard way he has to learn. So yeah Baba brings another brings. She would talk like that is it all brings his love will bring so I said, yeah and then their tail now that said they couldn't come there this next day. They couldn't come something happened what had happened. They told us when they came so, both are there.
My mother is very happy and all that all are here. The whole family's here mother son. Daughter-in-law. They are all here, but they are very happy to have come here. They're not sad because they got all the things they had lost and everything was found. Nothing was lost. Most important thing is the credit card. He said so the thing is that what had happened why could they not come the next day because it was in the custody of the magistrate so when the court opened on 2nd of January
We went there because we were told to go to a certain magistrate there in the court there and he'll be handing over the things we went there. And now she picks up the conversation says this is the most humiliation I've ever come across in my life. So what is the humiliation I said going to the court to get your thing. This is not not that are ash. So what happened? This is that was the day when Bombay seem to have selected to during certificates to all the
Since I was surrounded by a couple of hundred prostitutes and I was by myself over there you see and to pick up my things and he says are is because we didn't listen to her mother.
On my New Year's Day. I had only one banana and a glass of water.
But at last we I hear this is how you bring this year. He accepted that but then here they had a little secret talk and conversation with Baba which they eventually told us and of course this one's fantasy or whatever it is. So what is happening now now let us digress to the day that they were at y'all's place for the first time with mother mother is there to be bundled and sent to a Madonna.
And anyway, you want to hands over her to Jal and Dolly but they they are insisting. Why don't you go with your mother and all that? So this talk is taking place between jolly and her son whereas she is turning and admiring. The portrait of Baba is a big picture of Baba the just did as you entered in that place.
So she looks and then she this is what she confided eventually says when I look there and while this debate is taking place mother is insisting that I should come they are insisting that we should go there. But now my be very determined to go for sightseeing. So what I see in Baba, actually I saw she says the mom is not at all pleased and he's frowning at us and he is very sad, and he doesn't want us to
Go like this you see but I start I thought this my own fantasy years just in my imagination or something that I will I didn't pay any attention to all this other thing and then we left and this happened and I was reminded of it.
And then when we came back
And we are in the midst of all this and eventually we heard on the phone and job. We are meeting Jolly again once again, and we are at the place we have decided to now go to Baba the same picture that frown the smiled and well approved of our plans. You see very much.
That's what she said people intelligent people they are but they feel that way it seems like that. So this is how one of the ways how he got how he brings us to our him by the tail also drags provided. His mother is on us, you know, what mother means
Another man's eye sight is a tension once he has his attention on someone or some being cannot Escape.
That's how it is.
One case was the wife this very happy when everything has all disaster there and another mother very happy when son loses everything.
And they haven't met Barbra they know nothing about Baba in but they know everything of him to feel that way. This is what I come to that conclusion. Is he? Otherwise how can that be? They don't have any association or until sir? No, no such contact as we had a 40 years.
As a backing nothing of the sort. This is the miracle of Bob is love.
This is what we were talking about. The four lettered word love love what this love is. I don't know.
Funny thing another another way of calling the baba baba wanting him to come.
We are City seated here. The whole Hall is full. It's really very full not the scattered that we are and these are the early years and we are talking about most personal things about Baba. Did Bob has no, did he sleep what sort of toothpaste did he have any teeth? Did he wear glasses? What what sort of toothpaste she was using what sort of soap he would use. Did you take bath every day?
And all these personal things because when they came in the beginning that was the most important thing for them to know about him and of course, we supplied information and we opened our hearts to them and felt happy, whatever must be happening to them and they were their most of them are the ones who are now the residents.
They are there now here. They are become the residents now.
So that was the day when they had probed deeply into the most personal side of Baba and I was giving them the information being open to them because I felt that pulse and the heart that there really is not inquisitiveness a curiosity is the love that they want to know the personal side of Baba. So we were I was engrossed in telling them all this and in walks a person.
Stranger you could immediately feel the strangeness of the stranger is he and I said J bhabha and no response. He went in go straight and finds a little Nook there and sits down. So I look at them. No talk. We are all paralyzed can't speak out. You can't say things you see personal conversation is just
Broken immediately. There's a deep silence. There's nobody speaks. It's very embarrassing, you know, so he sits there I said, good morning. Good morning. He came in the morning. When when did you arrive? This is just now from where have you come from? The state's monosyllables?
You came from the states must be in India for some time. So now I've just arrived just arrived in India. See you last night. So what happened? I came Street by taxi.
Your come here straight directly. Yes.
From your come from the stage. So yeah.
Who told you about Bob? You must have heard from somebody?
No, I first asked. Do you know somebody in the states?
Some Baba lovers, this is no I don't know buddy. I don't know anybody. So who told you about me Baba then how did you happen to come here and cryptic answer was Paramount's Yogananda, Tony?
Paramount's yoga number first you see of course. I know that he is no more alive, but I thought that there are so many bubbles and paramahamsas. And yogananda's another one may have cropped up. Who knows. So I just said well in which part of the states is no, California.
Bowman see Yogananda, there's a center there.
Is he alive so he for the first time smiled saying that what a fool he is. He doesn't know that he has passed away. This is not he is not allies posture as then. How did you tell you?
Come on, speak out. What is it? What's what happened?
This is always so simple, you know from my child is my parents are the lovers of paramahansa Yogananda.
You suck. I have been brought up to love him.
And I loved him deeply very fervently. I like what he says and I lived that life that he wants me to you live and lead from my childhood and growing know him and love him.
But
I had a great yearning to see in once physically a long too long to here.
Seeing here in speed once in my lifetime.
This interesting story developing. So I said then what happened? So one day 15 days ago. What had happened was that with all these thoughts which are overpowering to eyes I was lying in bed thinking of him and wanting to see him physically and he appeared
And he told me I want you I should be very happy and I was but he didn't seem to respond to my joy and happiness on the contrary. He said I would have with a firmness and Authority. I want you to go to Mario Bava.
That he gradually receded himself means faded out and I Wonderstruck meher Baba. Who is this? I had not heard of him. So I tried to turn the pages of the telephone directory is Drizzy here, where could he be and all that eventually traced him out somewhere. And I think if I remember right he told me that meher Baba information is listed or something like that. Is it listed your telephone?
Yeah, so he must have inquired from these people, you know, and this is here. You can have you can you can you have to go to India for it. So said India is in India. This is yeah this in India and natural even Rama per month. So tells me I can't I can't resist I must go so I make reparations. But before that I asked will I be able to see him this is well. They told me that you won't be able to
To see him I said why if I go to India won't I be seeing him socially passed away so many years ago passed away. This is yeah. It was a shock to me.
What to do now should I just go to India for what because rapper monster tells me to go will I see will I meet him what will happen?
Eventual what has happened is that I try to follow what he told me because I am a follower of paramahansa and I have come here.
Just come just arrived.
So I said well done you come here to the right place. It's good.
And he was here with us. He heard all the things all the stories about Baba and all so this is how people come we're here one after the other.
This is slow and steady stream that flows that he makes people heart get closer and closer to him.
That's how it is.
Tim as to harden who you should let him come we'll make him speak out for himself. You should hear his hilarious story of how he came to Baba.
That wild person by name Alan Wagner. You see have you heard have you heard have you all heard the story of how my Jack came to Baba?
You were there at the time when he was shaken up and all that, you know the story you should hear him. Tell him to tell you all. No wonder he is doing this playing upon you people now the same.
Because he didn't realize what's happening why this man is after me like that? Yes.
And it was so good that he was after me said it what prompted him to do that. Allen says till this day he does not know.
But he was a fierce-looking Persona. Alan was very Fierce looking you should ask even well he speaking. He looks at Alan. Yes, it just turns away. So he was really with all his hair. You know you love beer to push it.
You would like to hear about John my jacket. Oh my God. Yeah you tell it's not. Nope. You tell.
But will you help me he has a story?
There's something beyond that they feel is all about the same thing as the love to give the other half of that, but this one isn't continued.
We were at we were followers of Yogananda ex-husband and I and he was in prison for boy at the draft board and they refused to send them the lessons anymore when they found out he was in prison. So we said and then we became followers of Allah
So what had happened this is I don't remember the sequences although I have heard it twice or Thrice its toll but this is what happened John he had gone through
Well, he had a case for spirituality. He wanted to know the meaning of life. You see how what is all this so he read this book and that philosophy and we went to different classes and schools and this and that and all that. He was a Searcher from very young age.
So
And in his search one day he had gone to some Bookshop book stores.
And he was trying to find out which book was that something to do with philosophy or some such thing. He wanted to read something something very enlightening some Oriental philosophy essay.
Because East has the key. It's mysterious East you see and so forth. So he's driven. They're trying to sort out what to read in all he is then he's trying to have a talk with the one who is selling those books and all that. Can I help this book or this book or this book? And there is a ferocious looking person behind some shelves there and he knows he's noticing he has noticed him this season that some peculiar looking person is there, you know, but he is he
Doesn't mind that and he's talking with the person who's supposed to sell him some good book.
So while they are discussing the pros and cons of This Book of that book and all that all of a sudden there comes a person rushing at him and holds the shoulder and just shakes. If you see this is you'd swear that him used to swear a lot. He says Alan used to do that and swore at him bitterly. You may call it. You see this is whatever you call it sob and all that and since you you
Instead of going to marry Bobby you're doing this. What is this? Look here. We'd have a passbook. And then he said take this is my address. He shook him thoroughly the way that he shook him. You see was Marie. Yeah. It was something you see that brought him down to the Earthly level, you know, where he is. So this is the some crazy person. Who is this?
Smell Baba and all that. I don't know anything about it and he completely left the place and went away walked out you see and says coincidence how many times I came across this again this man somewhere on the street or someplace and I used to get frightened and he says, well, you can see me I gave you the address. He came to me once into my house and then he saw a started telling me about Mayor Bob and all that why he was after me. I didn't know.
But I complete now forget now. Can you follow it up? What happened? Then? I met him about that time. Who jet John? Yeah, it is what it Alan look like then I told Alan was very very ferocious looking person B. There's no here hippie days.
Do you have a lot of here? Yeah.
Big bushy beard
: Scraggy a beard Michelle.
Yeah, yes. Yeah he had.
But it's not the same quantity of hair. But the way the hair stood up using the eyes and to come all of a sudden as a stranger and Shake him up you seem to some senses. He don't you have sense. Don't you remember don't you haven't you heard the name and you should lose this going after these.
People and he abused the Saints and the sages and the perfect Masters and all that. This is what sort of a person he seems to be a crazy person and he didn't care for him. Some mad people are the time, you know, drugs people drug addict. And again, he had to confront him again. This man is after himself. Well, didn't I give you the address and he looked sternly at him didn't I tell you to call on me? Why did you not?
Do it. Who is this person and again some excuse you gave and all those as well you come and see me, you'll have a good talk and so forth. So twice here. It happened then it is said that I think Allen himself paid a visit to him or some something that is going to his house Alan now. Listen what I'm going to say. That's how John heard of Baba.
How long was that Franco before he appeared in Myrtle Beach who Ellen? No, John. Well, I must have come to Myrtle Beach for the first time in the very early 70s, maybe 72, but I think you farted.
I don't care for for Easter. That's right. Oh, yeah.
How really bear we're here. He didn't bring any parrot there, but they were very I remember them when they first came to just a disgusting looking. Yeah, really?
You have the word. Well, they would degenerate sir. There were all kinds of people coming in. But well the whole group and Alan was just was was when I well Alan.
They were well you you you wondered why.
They were there and if it was I mean and then later later he came back and you know, he eventually out and moved to Myrtle Beach and we saw a great deal of him. Then I had to get him out of jail and he would come he would come to our house in the night. You know what he was.
When he needed food, this is true, you know, this is true. She was a he would come to our house and he would eat a jar of mustard. You know, what yes things like that.
Yeah, he would eat everything. He would eat everything.
Then he would go off to wherever he was going that night. Then he would go out to the nightclubs and whatever he would be full. Yeah.
It's already been on universal. Well, what happened was that he he came merpeople moved to Myrtle Beach when they cannot live anywhere else in the world that desperate. I mean, this is this is quite true. And then finally he could
No longer live in Myrtle Beach. He had the opportunity to come here and to work for James Cox and James Cox during that period was hiring people like that. Who and well Eric and Heather and all these these numbers people.
It was I remember he was he was sitting in a chair in our living room and he was his life was a wreck in Myrtle Beach. He couldn't eat it and he was going to have to leave in this opportunity came from James Cox and so he took it and eventually that led him as you well know the living in Bangalore and then and
In the South and then eventually I said, I would assume James Cox fired him and then he came here. And so now he has he has he's able to employ all of these things. He's in India so that he can he can dress any way he chooses.
And no you can abuse him give users the servant and now and you he has all the spices that he has all these things. And and now John my Jack is here. He abuses John it's like it's full circle. It's closer. And the only thing it's different now is is that Alan's older John still looks like he's 17
Alan is much older and much heavier. He's lost his hair and he's here. He's here. It's he's loved by by all full circle. This is this is the end of the road for him nowhere else to go.
He does that when he comes here only when he comes to you should see him where he lives come there on announced sometime and you'll see it's like two people.
This is it's it's an act by the way. Do you know that Alan's mother had come? Yes. He looks like a dancer does.
I've never seen him that I've seen him stagger.
I see Alan and it holds out. Hope for me that if
Alexander Queensland by the time it's true. It's true. He he worked in a he worked in a night and not a country club in Myrtle Beach a beautiful stately Country Club that had a dining room.
And no one came and he had a staff. He had a staff of men and we would we would go there for dinner and the stab the waiters would be would be drunk and Alan would be we have been drinking.
Alan worth a tuxedo that was very tight tight and you would go there and we we went there a group of us one night went for dinner and our waiter was could not stand up straight. They had to lean against the wall like this standing straight up in order to take it got it got worse and worse. The meals were wonderful. The food was wonderful.
At this place Allen did a lovely job for these people but no one came to this restaurant. And this was and and finally this is what led him to the place where he had to leave the United States. He was doing everything that he could and it and so he finally just had to come here. You still want this running.
It's a marvelous.
A a I remember he he asked me if we would join this country, but we had no money was going to cost us $1,000 to join this country and then we could come there to eat more and there was no one that ever went 30 great dining room great term. It is Vining room in a way that an American version of like the pilgrim Center dining room, by the way, it is now and so now he's got a crowded dining room.
And lots of people coming to eat after Alan live. No no hear it. It's all changed. It's all changed. It's all it's much better. Now that was still drunk. I was different. I would different nature of a different nature and he's Allen and in that nature. Allen is because he's quite drunk now, it's quite quite intoxicated.
With with his love for Bob. He has all of his bad habits, but he has acquired.
Something much greater
And it's changed.
But while the tape recorders running, I don't want to say anything nice about
Have you ever witnessed the conversation that takes place between John and Jack and Alan no.
Have you know, but I I have been hearing whispers you see Alan Stern. Yeah.
He has remained faithful disciple of his master Helen that shake up here.
John is a very yeah calm and peaceful person is very this is very impressive like that. It seems to be very very Serene and thoughtful person and he provided Master. Yeah. Well, it's a beloved Master it always goes like that. What about ruining some shouldn't ugly?
Was a wild master and roomy was a learned scholar in jalaluhu.
By the way, how does he behave with the Philippines son is wonderful. He's very fussy about your table manners who have to use an Implement to take the food. If you take anything with your fingers, he comes out and all of a sudden he comes out.
Don't use your fingers use the floor use the fork to reach but when you're seeing behind the screen, right, you know, the key you want to see the fact that it's always behind this.
Two of them hovering behind this man to handle things without such one person like that things will move anymore. No checking battery disappearing around. We thank God for all of our being here.
The other side armor outside is hard hard inside is soft. Why do we like that? Could you please make your couple degrees in so much pain? That's bad.
The things nicely softie on at the same time. This is come out nice like that. Now we just takes to you and it knows we'll be done and we'll take the deal. That's what they all say. Finish your tea. They just take the pot away more, you know your cup and Mark. How do you do in your restaurant?
Oh, I'm just let me finish it when they like pick up the tip and I didn't want to say yes one man. One time among hosting Hazard. Mom has like that son-in-law. Is that a Lisa?
His mother was Moma marks daughter Fatima. So they were in Moscow one man came taking taking ablution is called we do in a wrong way now Hasan and Hussain birthday. They talk if they did the man directly that you're making wudu in a bad way wrong way. Dean Ambrose is feeling very hot. So they made a plan.
Then came to the man and said see I we are two brothers. He says mine who do is wrong and mine is back - correct. So we both of us make rooms ablution in front of you. You'll be a judge and tell us who is wrong with like and they put it book. They would have them ready singing and right and lastly the man said you were you
Was very right. I was wrong. I was corrected by you see this is one side of doing the thing in correcting the other side why you meet later look you don't know the principle of Islam is that is badly.
So in everything we can handle nicely efficiently like that Tim like that.
One thing here is a problem for me. I have to go off and on shut up and close the door of the closet lavatory latter 11:37 leave it open. So see I think not all of not all the Americans keep it open. Some of them keep it open and to the door of the lapse into the open. It looks not bad, you know, that is men they come out and it is altogether bad.
It should be closed like that every time so if I see
There's a man or woman I won't care. It is gone. I gave them and they do it but in my absence then I see it it open. I might have want to not because our servants or blind for such a thing, but they are very watchful for other things. If you distribute some eatables geese that proves they borrow two more eyes. That's all.
Of course such a thing. Yep, their eyes would not work Jeremy. So I'm the only person go there is much concerned about one thing from assault and that is when we leave the switch on you see in the laboratory or in those stalls over their bathroom water taps.
What're you or some when there is also water there are the tap is connected with outside.
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